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Posted by on Jun 12, 2013 in Blog, Music and Concert Reviews, Rants and Raves | 695 comments

If You’re Under 25, Your Music is Fucking Garbage

 

You show me a machine or a computer program that can match the stellar majesty of Luciano Pavarotti’s singing “Nessun Dorma,” and I’ll acknowledge it as music.  Until then, it’s fucking garbage.

 

 

If you’re under 25 years old — or an immature 30-plus — I’m about to set your ass straight.

So, listen up.

Your music is fucking garbage.

There, I said it.

Mindless crap.  Eardrum-bursting, dagger-in-the-eyes, ass-bagging, blow your fucking brains out — unadulterated dog shit.  That pretty much sums up the type of music that’s popular with today’s young people.

Listen, you stupid sons of bitches.  I’m talking at you.  I’m your elder.  My opinion demands respect.

Your music hasn’t got life.  It’s fucking dead.  Your music is void of humanity.  It’s as fake as a porn queen’s orgasm.  There’s no soul.  It’s tripe.  It’s a carp in the sea of music.  The stuff you listen to was created by fucking machines.

Today’s “artists” — there’s an oxymoron — don’t even need to know how to play musical instruments or sing.  In other words, no fucking talent whatsoever is needed to succeed today in music.  You heard me.  No.  Talent.  Whatsoever.

And, I’m fucking sick of it because the current generation is taking the gold we gave you and dragging it into a sewer.

Listen up, you little pricks.  I’m not stuck in some kind of classic rock time warp.  Fact is, I expose myself to many different kinds of music.  I give all music a chance.  Even the techno-trash littering the modern music scene is something I’ve tried to digest, which I found to be like choking down a plate of raw oysters laced with salmonella.

It would be nice to enjoy fresh musical acts.  I want to hear new songs.  I like some young people, especially when they get my order right.  But real music is written and performed by humans, not a fucking computer program linked up to a laser show.

Fact:  The more fancy gadgets and distractions you need, the most your music just flat out sucks.

Music should convey some sense of humanity — who we are, and what we feel.  I know that’s a hard concept to digest since your idea of a relationship is picking up a new Twitter follower.  Where’s the love and romance in the mind-numbing rubbish that’s played at most nightclubs?  Is there any conveyance pain and loss?  Or pride and joy?  How about playing a catchy tune that’s just fun to sing along with?

Is that too much to fucking ask?

I don’t expect to like everything that’s new.  As an amateur observer of the human condition, I freely acknowledge that successive generations are obliged to a continuation of the species which sometimes entails pushing boundaries and violating the preferences of their elders.  History shows the more radically different one generation is from one to the next, the greater degree of innovations are sparked from such permutations.  Music is just one by-product of inevitable cultural and technological shifts, sometimes mislabeled as advances.

Yes, yes, yes!  New music should piss off plenty of parents and leathery jokers like me.  At least I’ll accept “cultural evolution” as being inevitable, and necessary.

If you don’t believe this, take a look at the past century.  Nearly a hundred years ago, traditional musicians hated a new sound called jazz.  Later, jazz loyalists despised rock n’ roll and even the early sound of Motown.  After that, the rockers hated disco music.  Then, just about everyone hated New Wave and the 1980’s.  Next came rap music which irritated everyone over the age of 30.  Now, it’s hip hop and something called dubstep, which is essentially music made by computers and sound-making software.  This garbage makes rap sound like fucking Amadeus.

There’s a reason this “music” is used as a weapon on suspected terrorists, forcing them to wear earphones and being bombarded with such abuse for hours.  I’m not making this up.  This is the brain-frying shit they put on the headphones and strap to the ears of prisoners who are handcuffed behind their backs and sit naked in jail cells while they are forced to endure this madness.  I’d rather blow my fucking brains out, and if I ever did managed to get out, I’d be running off to join the nearest terrorist cell in order to extract my revenge.

Have a listen this rubbish (CLICK BELOW) if you can stand it for more than a few seconds:

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I know what you’re thinking.  You want to go after my music.  You want to blast away at me.  Go ahead, fuckers.  See if you can top what I like at the conclusion of this article.  You’re drawing so fucking dead you should even be in my game.

So, what constitutes real music?  Here’s a list of things I believe to be essential.

REAL MUSIC DEFINED BY NOLAN DALLA:

(1)  Real music is created by humans, not by a machine or a computer.

(2)  Real music has structure and consistency.

(3)  Real music elicits real emotions — of love, loss, anger, fear, happiness, hope, inspiration, or anything related to the gambit of being human.

(4)  Real music requires talent.

(5)  Real music requires instruments and/or voices.

(6)  Real music should be cross generational.

(7)  Real music shouldn’t need gadgets or special effects to be enjoyed.

Here and now, I’ll leave you with a video clip of real music (CLICK BELOW).  When one of those fucking machines creates a sound that can somehow match this magical majesty, then give me a call.  Until then, don’t label what you listen to as “music.”  It’s not music.  It’s garbage.

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Writer’s Note:  I wrote this over-the-top satirical outrage back in 2013, not expecting it to become the third-highest rated post at my website, with more than 100,000 page views.  Had I know that trolling could generate such high traffic, I probably would have utilized the tactic more often.  That said, I’ve come to modify my position somewhat on modern music.  There’s an astonishing array of excellent high-tech, computer generate sound that’s as profoundly creative as anything ever written and recorded.  I continue to express some bewilderment at what masquerades as “popular music” today.  Much of it is garbage.  However, I wish to amend my previous remarks and withdraw the blanket condemnation of anything enjoyed by listeners under the age of 25.  Now, please continue to post the often hilariously hateful comments below.  Regards.

 

695 Comments

  1. Love you Nolan! You are so right on as usual – but you forgot to add it’s getting worse not better. Don’t even get started on Rap and the hood rats that put that stuff out. I just saw a major Country performer integrate Rap into a “Country” song. Kill me now. Thank god for iTunes, Spotify et. al. for the vaults of great music.

    • Digging the thinly veiled racism there Linda!

      • i don’t see any certain race mentioned in her post..hood rats come in all colors as does rap music.i don’t listen to white or black rappers cause rap is crap..it’s not music..this all started in the mid 90’s when rap and hip hop became the norm’.

        • Like all genres, there is good and bad rap. Dismissing all of it is like being a 1950’s literature professor that dismisses all “beat” poetry without bothering to examine it’s content.

          Every generation finds their own ways of expressing themselves. I have friends that think only classic rock has merit, some of them have no use for anything released after 1976. I happen to think they’re missing out on a lot of good works.

          • NO, imbecile filth, there isn’t good and bad rap – rap is ALL shit (NOT music). ALL SHIT, conceived by shit for shit and nothing but shit.

          • Ditto-
            And those 1976 friends are the ones living in denial because there is a whole world outside of those”classic” rock borders!

          • shut the fuck up bill jones

          • Rap is a form of poetry. It serves to bring up emotions and tackle concepts just as well, if not better than any other form of music due to its spoken nature. It can be aggressive or laid back depending on the tone of the rapper and it is not reserved for “Hood rats”.

          • Rhyming lines don’t qualify rap as “poetry,” any more than tv ads are insights into the human soul.

            Even the best written songs don’t enter the realm of poetry. Songs have lyrics, which are not the same thing.

            As far as that goes, rap stretches the definition of “lyrics” as well. I’m not sure what it is, but lyrical it ain’t.

          • I agree, many rap songs are bullshit, due to it’s emptiness, but where I come from there are rap songs (not all rap, just a few songs) that speak about love, about hope and loss, It may not be my favorite kind of music, but I may recognize that those lyrics where…. better that many modern songs, because I really felt the message of the song.

            Just as a little comment, when I listened “Nessun Dorma” for the first time I cryed, even if I was not able to understand the words the music was simply beautiful.

          • bill jones you drink donkey milk my dude

          • There was exactly ONE rap record that was brilliant the rest is garbage ..fact.

          • Agreed, although there is a whole slew of horrible rap and most of the excrescence is played on the radio, although I currently have no clue as to what they are playing on the radio these days, it’s been over a decade since I have listened to it.

            In certain aspects I agree with Nolan, but…the so called gold your generation has dug up out of the souls of the dead and dying musicians of their day, has been hashed and re-hashed countless numbers of times. The only direction to go is, well what I would consider shit. But some new music has it’s merits. Simply not even giving new material a chance, well I might call you dead inside Nolan.

          • it doesnt matter what music people listen to music is about how it makes you feel not who or what is singing it bill jones is a piece of shit for being a little prick and i agree i hate rap of all kinds but it doesnt matter what age or generation you come from you cant call everyones music trash except your own because if you were born in my this generation then you would most likely love the music we have noq

          • now

        • The 90’s when all rap music was about drugs and violence like rock&roll. Oh wait oh shit I didn’t just diss rock did I? No but that’s the same thing people want to say about rap while head banging to rock. 90’s was a long time ago and it’s changed a lot since then.
          If you ask me country music is the worst and is full of people with little talent, it’s filled with people that don’t write there own songs and lots that lie about doing so. Many of them aren’t even country and couldn’t get noticed doing other music so they adopted a southern voice and someone to write songs for them.
          But that’s just my opinion and which is all any one can say about music but I’m smart enough to know it unlike you. Get your head out of your ass realize you’re not the music dictator.

          • What about CocoRosie’s song Werewolf? It incorporates rap and opera. And so does Libera me from Hell, a song from the Anime Gurren Lagann.

            I agree there’s a lot of terrible music, but the song structure of the two songs I just mentioned are more sophisticated than Country Music. Personally, I prefer Blue Grass to the kind of Country Music that played on the radio even before it became garbage pop.

          • Has this guy even really listened to the stuff thats coming out today thats not main stream? i could list some fantastic artists,
            the black keys,
            tame impala,
            connan mockasin,
            vulfpeck,
            homeshake,
            mac demarco,
            yellow days
            theres so fucking many. to say that all music today is shit, is just plain ignorant

          • Country is full of people bursting with talent but completly wasting it on the same motifs since it’s invention. Lost the girl, lost the dog, someone’s cheating, getting drunk, I’m an asshole, or a sappy love song. I would equate in a roundabout fashion to Linkin Park, they were always complaining about something. Quit yer bitchin’ country music and come up with a new god damn subject to talk about in your music.

          • Re:someone writing songs for them (bye I don’t like the “new” or old country .. some
            Older country music is ok … but for your comment about “someone else writing the songs for them” what about “sampling?” That’s the biggest rip off used by rap “artists” what a joke ! They just use an old song .. yes I said an older song rock or not and add stupid rhymes like fuck that bitch etc? That’s intelligent music to anyone ? The so called lyrics are “so deep?” it’s a joke … then taking an older blues,rock,country,soul,disco, what have you … they all are just rip offs .. how can you even comment about people or only country (the new crap) having others write the lyrics?) that’s a joke right ? So many Rap songs are “samples” at first they were sued for using copyrighted songs? What’s your take on that ? Wait a moment ! Never mind you’re mindless … I don’t want your take .. lol I love this article it’s funny ?

          • you’re listening to the wrong country. you are talking about nashville corporately produced country. the cma’s and the cmt’s of the shit musical landscape they want to sell as country to the masses. you know it well. trucks and girls and beer repeated again and again for the uneducated casual music fans to regurgitate. well, i have news for you. there is great american country music out there. its hiding in bloomington, indiana, lexington, kentucky, bradenton, florida, and even nashville, tennessee. if you want to find it try the local bars. we are still here, still trying to take the next step. find us.

        • I heartily agree!

        • Thanks for the equality concerning hood rats, Robert!

      • Ridiculous comment — disliking rap doesn’t mean you’re racist. Ray Charles had a comment about rap: “I can talk, too.” By your definition, Ray Charles was racist as well.

        For the record, I love jazz, blues, gospel, and Motown soul, but most rap I’ve heard is not terribly musical or imaginative. So as a general rule I dislike it. Does that make me selectively racist?

          • I don,t see anything racist at all. I heartily agree!

          • This just sounds like someone who doesn’t listen to the full range of newer music, and like so many aging folks, does not want the world to keep turning without them someday.

        • Fuck all of y’all for hating on anyone’s music taste! Who the hell are you to call a genre “real music” or not? I could beat on a fucking sauce pan in my kitchen and it could touch someone’s soul!? Is that not real music? Music is LITERALLY anything pleasingly harmonious to oneself. Take your poorly conceived opinions and discreetly shove them far up your ass where they belong. Have a nice day while you’re at it ?

          • Couldn’t have said it better!!!!!

          • That just means you are a moron. You fail in being able to tell the difference between great music and total garbage.

          • Definition of music: “vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.” You may think bowel movements are harmonious to “oneself”, but they do not qualify as music. Once upon a time a person that may have been touched by the sound(s) of his grandmother preparing a meal in the kitchen would take it as inspiration to write a song longing after his childhood and missing the warmth he felt when he was a kid at his grandparents’ house, and use actual musical instruments to compose sounds that are alike those. Which requires, you know, genuine artistry, good old fashioned hard work and dedication to pull off. Today, I expect that same person to mimic those sounds on kitchen paraphernalia and use software to mix that into a jumble that barely registers as melodic. Tell me I’m wrong.

          • Fuck you too. You can take your garbage music and shove it so far up your rectum it’ll come out your fucking mouth.

            We’re tired of garbage. Sincerely, a fed up “Young Oldhead”

          • get your head examined, music went to shit after the late 70’s

      • Fuck you John D. If anybody dares to call this motherfucking dog shit trash so-called “music” for what it is – DOG shit – they get labeled a racist. I’M not a racist. I’m just a guy who recognizes pathetic fucking dog-shit so-called “music” when I HEAR it.

        This rap stuff is just an excuse for dudes who can’t create ACTUAL music (real, genuine, melodic MUSIC) to call themselves “artists” then write this NO-TALENT shit. What a FUCKING joke this shit is to anybody who’s not a twenty-something wet-ass KID.

        The ONLY reason this shit sells and makes millions for the no-talent jack-offs who create it is because its appeal and its market is primarily to a bunch of wet-ass, know-nothing kids who fancy themselves real tough when they’re ACTUALLY fucking babies and imbeciles, wearing their pants down past their assholes, looking and acting RIDICULOUS – and who don’t know jack-SHIT while thinking they’re so fucking street-wise. They are BEYOND fucking PATHETIC.

        Its an insult to any actual form of real and genuine music to even CALL this rap shit music. Its not music. Its a bunch of no-talent talk, just like the vast majority of misguided, still-shittin’-yella fucking punks that listen to it.

        Jam your “racist” accusations up your fucking ass. Lots of people, myself included, are TIRED of your dog shit. This shit is gonna push too far, piss off one too many decent people and then get fucking STEPPED ON like the worthless, vile and infantile DRIVEL and DOG SHIT that it actually is.

        • Very well said

        • WOW! While I do agree that just about ALL of today’s “music” of EVERY genre sucks ass, you just sound like one ANGRY ASS BITCH! You are so fucking pathetic! Get a life, you brain dead piece of SHIT!

          • Ok thats also not true IMO. try listening to alabama shakes, band of horses, monophonics, etc. while yes i do agree he’s acting very petty, there is still “good music” according to you. You just have to look for it. 🙂

        • Here’s rapper Hopsin pouring his soul out to in one of the most emotional songs I’ve heard in years. Its a song spoken to God about his struggle to believe. Yeah, I like opera, but even many opera songs have garbage lyrics.

          To be sure, the following song is raw, curses a lot, is blasphemous, and prideful, but its also melancholy and haunting.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBsA2ETp7JA

          • No talent illiterate crap..musical fqct.

          • I just listened…wow. uhm…rhyming and cursing to computer generated music. Incredible talent! I can only imagine with the wealth of talent being displayed here…how one could not recognize the sheer brilliance of managing to talk, rhyme and curse at the same time….simply boggles the mind

        • Brilliant! Comments like this make life worth living! Well done Nolan for initiating genuine discourse about music and non-music masquerading as music .. Yes!

        • I am not defending either side.
          I am not PRO Rap.
          I am not PRO Classic Rock.
          I am simply just stating the fact that you have wasted around ten minutes of your life, typing in anger, and without thinking, and for not a very good reason at all.
          The fact that rap is good or not, IS IN FACT, not a fact… It is an opinion…….. (this is why i hate the internet)
          SO, when you state it as a fact, you, my good sir, are being an imbecile, especially since you are screaming and cursing and belittling people who disagree with you.
          I do apologize for the wrath this statement might incur, because I am differing from this person’s opinion

          • Very mature comment well done I don’t like internet either!

        • Lol. I love Pink Floyd’s artful construal of animal farm as much as I enjoy Jay Z and Eminem’s intricate wordplay; I enjoy Bill Evans’s tender jazz as much as Drake’s pop-ish R&B, and Sviatoslav Richter’s version of Beethoven’s appassionata, and BIlly Paul’s souful voice, and Daft Punk’s vintage electronica, and Leon Russell’s blue eyed soul etc you get the idea. As long as people feel the emotion of the artist it does not matter what type of instrument is being used. Open your small mind and stop typing in all caps as if that is going to make your argument more valid. In fact it merely reflects that your opinion is seldom taken in real life, and it makes sense because it is simply backwards. No wonder Donald Trump got elected by a country label itself as the most “free”. Some old guards can’t even stand artistic freedom lol, and you will trust them to have the decency to understand human beings should have the freedom to be whatever they want? Lmao. Pathetic.

          • Mufukkah muh dik muh dik is intricate word play?

          • I don’t mean this in an insulting or petty way to anyone on this thread, and I mean this sincerely:

            How many times can you listen to Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd? Now, let me be clear: I am 49, and absolutely devoured their catalogs. Its genius, and I love it… but c’mon…. its liking watching the Godfather every day for 40 years. I kind of know the plot…

            Like every generation and genre, there is quality art and exploitive garbage. That has always been the case.

            There is great music being made every day. The difference now is that the market is so fragmented that it doesn’t hold the attention of a mass audience due to its limited distribution. But the idea that there hasn’t been any good music since the late 70s is hyperbolic, baiting nonsense.

            Remember that your parents thought yoir music was garbage, too. My Mom thinks the Beatles suck. Its all in the eye if the beholder.

        • I think you pretty much summed it up in the most eloquent way. Good job!

        • Love the passion, but it’s falling on deaf ears. Why bother, shit music is what they want, shit music is what they get.

        • Damn Dave, sounding like a crusty ass old man who misses the days of being a homeless bum, and shooting up meth and heroine to Hendrix while standing around a trash can fire. You’ve definitely fried your brains dawg, keep moving and leave music to those that can actually reach triple digit scores on an IQ test. I know your type. Talk a lot of shit, but at the end of the day you’re just a racist pussy, jacking off in the corner of your trashy trailer park home, drinking Milwaukee’s Best because you’re too remedial to get a proper job and afford a decent bottle of Scotch, and will more than likely run and hide behind your Confederate flag and pretend you’re not there if you see a person of color. Have fun sucking Trump’s dick, bigot.

          • DAMN DAVE JUST GOT ROASTED!!!!

        • are you a professional douche bag or is it just a hobby? Listen to Mos Def and tell me he is not a poet musical genius and then come back and discuss.

        • Amen!

        • You are so wrong this comment should be illegal. Let’s see you rap if it’s so easy that it’s just an excuse lol! It would sound like shit, because you suck! Not cause rap sucks you MORON! Piss off.

        • I like dog shit

        • Wow, you must be an old-ass father who just got angry because his children weren’t listening to fucking classical boring-ass shit. It’s just the music we like to listen to, so fucking deal with it you fucking raddy-ass slug.

          Let’s not even forget that you couldn’t make SINGLE fucking song that’s original on your own. I wouldn’t go after music if you can’t make music to save your life, cunt. 🙂

          So I would piss off before someone like me makes an even bigger fool out of your ass lmao

      • Honestly thats a pretty racist comment from John not Linda.

      • haha this cunt thinks she knows what music is! lol

      • HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

      • lmao

      • Dig what you want.

      • Wrong libtarded fucksta8n..get a GED

      • Me too! Literally. Don’t be weak.

      • Racism? No. Rap sucks balls musically, just a fact. Nothing more than a guy rhyming about crime and treating women like garbage. It’s a degenerate’s “music”. People that default to excuses of racism are mental midgets.

        • This sounds a lot like a person that doesn’t listen to rap. A lot of rap ranges from many different topics, from suicide prevention to living a high life in LA. If the number of suicides in the U.S. have gone down, and the number of calls to the national suicide hotline have quadrupled since Joyner Lucas made his “I’m Sorry” track and Logic made his 1-800 song, I’d say rap doesn’t suck. However, a lot of mainstream rappers only talk about “fucking bitches and getting money”. Music is so wide and diverse you don’t get to say what people can and can’t like and what is good or not. You just have to find what fits you. I can’t stand any songs before 1990, but that’s just my opinion. I don’t say people are small-minded and retarded for liking something.

        • That’s no all rap, yes it is some of it. If you want to hear some meaningful rap…Guns for Hands,Migraine, Glowing Eyes, Stressed Out Twenty One Pilots some of the songs may be confusing for someone without mental illness and some are slower and could be considered more on the singing side.

          • Is rap music or is it just chanting a form of poetry with the syllables recited to a rhythmic tremolo thing over a varying ostinato? I am very confused as to why this is considered music, but I applaud the genre for having a lot meaningful stuff in it. I haven’t listened to a lot of these bizarre forms of poetry (that frankly sounds unappealing at times, especially if it’s not meaningful.), but I would like to know why this is considered music. (Disclaimer: By no means am I ranting, me just asking. )

        • Your shit opinion isn’t fact dan but you being an old worthless cynical bum is

      • Sick fuck ! Music today isn’t music at all it’s computerized screaming non poetic urban anger passing itself off as something profound and moving —it isn’t close ! All it expresses is how talentless these millennial entitled shits are …. I recently visited Amsterdam Netherlands and they think to be fashionable is to play nothing but this urban ameenvironment I am prison cultured dogshit thinking it’s “cool” or black-friendly ?? Yeah typical for libtards with white guilt …pure garbage ! I’d rather listen to Barry Manilow at least there is some humanity there !

        • lmao please go back to blasting ACDC and beating off to the thought of getting to lynch black people, you illiterate, inbred, white trash failure.

      • ?? Racism? What did I miss?

      • You fucking played on my boi Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and I ain’t liking it, even I know better than to listen to operas where the singers have vibrato wider than your moms overabused ass. I ain’t liking hip hop or rap but Wolfgang has better shit than the classical shit you listen to

    • Yea! Fuck individualism, Music is totally not based on someones opinion, we like classic, so everything else but classic is shit!
      To say that Electronic music is no music is as retarded as the rest of this article, the definition of music is “Organized sound” and every bit of today’s music offers that, Dubstep follows the order of: Intro, Drop, outro. Correct me if im wrong, but that looks organized to me.
      Just because you don’t like something what other people like, it’s no reason to be such an intolerant prick and insult their opinion and themselves, especially because you got no true facts or reasoning behind “This music sucks”. I feel sorry for you to be so closed minded to say that everything sucks you don’t like, it’s just another proving point for the Flynn effect.

      • The only thing I’ve learned here is the author is a close-minded, ignorant twat.

        • except that dubstep is fucking terrible. you’re trying to hard to be hip if you can’t see that now.

          • Except, Dubstep isn’t new. It came to exist round the late 90’s. So us filthy filthy millenials can blame you. 😀

          • No, because the only thing wrong with you *cough cough* no I’m sorry, what’s wrong with this whole forum is that you people bitch non-stop. Eww this music sucks let me go online to bitch about it to others and try to get attention. So what if you like hip hop, trance, pop, techno, rock, or r&b.. just don’t be a little 11 year old dick thinking you’re from the wrong generation because you don’t like listening to, “fucking garbage.”

          • CLearly you haven’t listened to any of my songs ahaha

          • Clearly you are stuck in 1703 music is music no matter how its created some of the most famous musicians were seen as unoriginal,horrendous,Garbage Bach especially but now his seen as one of the best composers in the world. Music is technologically and scientifically based so with technological advancement came new ways to make music and this section REAL MUSIC DEFINED BY NOLAN DALLA:
            (1) Real music is created by humans, not by a machine or a computer.
            (2) Real music has structure and consistency.
            (3) Real music elicits real emotions — of love, loss, anger, fear, happiness, hope, inspiration, or anything related to the gambit of being human.
            (4) Real music requires talent.
            (5) Real music requires instruments and/or voices.
            (6) Real music should be cross generational.
            (7) Real music shouldn’t need gadgets or special effects to be enjoyed.
            its describes music over the years we went from bones to guitars to daws and a daw is a Digital Audio Workstation primary use would by music production. Electronic music has structure and consistency, Elicit real emotions dont believe me listen to this https://soundcloud.com/dub…/protohype-far-east-movement-stfu and tell me you dont feel a little hype. Talent is always present in EDM listen to Seven Lions listen to Skrux listen to Venemy Virtual Riot MitiS JAUZ they have talent. They are virtual instruments and don’t always require voices. If real music doesn’t need gadgets and special effects to be enjoyed then what the fuck are the PEDAL UNDER THE PIANO ARE FOR they are special effects to alter the duration and pitch of the note.In conclusion if you never made a song in fl studio,Ableton,Reason,Reaper,or Logic keep your ignorance to yourself about music because people at EDC are trying to enjoy it ok (EDC’15 IS THE LARGEST MUSIC FEST CURRENTLY)
            From KVzMOS,Music producer and DJ P.S. you ARE acting like a little bitch in this post.

          • I still like dubstep…I get more flack now more than ever. If I was trying to be hip wouldn’t I just go with the flow of popular culture and start not liking dubstep?

        • Yes!

        • Except that he’s right on all points. Real music does require talent, discipline, and creativity, and should express real human emotions — something completely absent in the pop music of today. I listen to a wide variety of music — classical, rock, jazz, bluegrass, ethnic, just to name a few. I don’t see the same curiosity and open mindedness in today’s youth that I experienced with my friends growing up, even though YouTube and streaming services make it incredibly easy to sample music of all kinds. More often than not, they listen to the mind-numbing rot that Nolan describes. And yes, there is scientific proof of the decline op pop music. Simply do a search on Columbia’s million song dataset, which shows pop music peaking in the mid sixties to early seventies, just as most curmudgeons claim.

          • Agreed!

          • You obviously don’t know anything about pop music. And “thrill” is an emotion too, so it’s not like a song is bad just if it ‘s not super emotional. The reason why pop music “peaked” in the 60s is because like so many people listened to it then and now there are so many genres and so much diversity. Music is music. Don’t generalize and don’t sound stupid, oops you already do. You don’t know what you’re talking about, and that’s a fact

          • Ah yes, because musical acts like Adele, Ozzy Osborne (who released a new album recently, thus making it “modern”), Lana del Rey, Janelle Monae, Sam Smith, and Ed Sheeran rely entirely on computers and gadgets instead of voices & instruments…

            …oh wait.

            Maybe, if you bothered listening to more than one modern radio station (or at least something that wasn’t dance/pop or modern rap), then you’d notice that there’s plenty of good music out there. In fact, instrumentals & rich vocals – and even bluegrass, for some reason – are coming back into vogue.

            As for computer-generated music: Prince, Daft Punk, and various synth-laden rock bands from the 70s have been doing that for decades.

            (Oh, and one’s age does not mean they are deserving of respect. Respect is earned through merit; otherwise, we’d have to show the same respect to the raving homeless druggie as we do to war vets. That’s something my grandfather taught me, and I wager he has a few years on you.)

            -MM, a 35-year-old who grew up on classic rock & classical composers

          • Excellent response and argument here Peter !

        • True, you should read my comment trashing him. I’m pretty brilliant. It’s the newest one on the very bottom. Just use “Control, F” or “Command, F” depending on your keyboard and search my name if you don’t want to scroll

        • You wouldn’t know a twat if you were choking on it you sloth

        • And what I’ve learned about you is that you’re a fucking brainless idiot!!!!!

        • this dude reminds me of a titanium rod inside a blender. won’t shut up until you pull the plug.

      • It’s organized to me.. ;_;

      • Today’s music is not what’s really hip and what the people like. It is pushed and shoved down our throats by the banks and the big media conglomerates who create and own it. Today’s hit music is all one the same trendy and fake formulaic garbage. Thank you iheart (Clear Channel).

        • Exactly.

          • You guys are both fucking idiots, if you know anything about music you should know that music has trends, and rap has become a lot more popular so you can fuck off you scumbag motherfucker.

        • “It is pushed and shoved down our throats by the banks and the big media conglomerates who create and own it”
          .
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          “Thank you [big media conglomerate]”

        • What kind of fucking retarded-ass explanation even is that, you troglodyte? “Banks and Big Media Conglomerates” don’t own rap music you autism patient. They’re owned by the fucking artist who made them. Go back to being some crazy-ass, mullet-headed conspiracy theorist who stuffs his face with fucking nachos while watching Nascar. Fucking dumbass faggot

      • What you do not understand is the variations, terraced dynamics, musicality, and spontaneity of actual musicians creating and playing an actual instruments. Yes, you are right that there is order and what is music. However, it is sterile, formaliac, and lacks deep passion and human emotions. It is something incredible hearing a musician that displays virtuosity. Listen to great bands out of your musical experience and you will understand. Your opinion really lacks validy.

        • Actually, I think your opinion lacks validity. You are correct that live music has a certain feel to it that makes it very unique and human. But to call an entire genre of music sterile, formulaic, and lacking deep passion shows that you really haven’t listened to much electronic music yourself. What you may have listened to may have been the sterile, formulaic, and passion-lacking songs of the genre (admittedly, they are more mainstream), but these traits can be found in every genre. Good electronic music (not the EDM that I admit is popular with younger people) is very beautiful, atmospheric, and adventurous. It really can take you places. I listen to plenty of instrumental music as well, whether old or new, but I also enjoy electronic music equally. They can be sonically great in completely different ways. I suggest taking a deeper listen to different kinds of electronic music before completely bashing the genre. I think you’ll be surprised.

          • As someone who has listened to a lot of electronic music (dubstep, trap, etc) and has attended many raves/festivals ranging from mainstream to underground (warehouses in Brooklyn), I can tell you safely that no, electronic music does not elicit emotional responses of any kind. It will never replace actual human beings in the music industry and if it had to exist on it’s own exclusively, it would fail miserably. The fact that real music exists is the only reason why this genre is still around. When it becomes too much, you can stop listening to it and switch to something more ‘human’. Rarely is this music ever played in a car, while working or studying, or while doing anything other than partying. The only time I hear it played outside of a social event is in anticipation of one thats upcoming.

          • I can tell you safely that no, electronic music does not elicit emotional responses of any kind.

            The fact that you dare make such universal claims and that you’re incapable of feeling any emotion from listening to e.g. this classic album tells more about you than about electronic music.

          • I’d say that modern music can be good, but not all, so I am in agreement, but I fail to understand all you said, as I admit am quite young and stupid as of now, but I partially agree with him as well, now, I’m not solid on what he calls bad, because the link is inactive, but I will say that newer songs can be as good as new ones, imagine dragons is my favorite band, if you dig you’ll find good music with them, or if you’ve heard of the music company two steps from hell, the don’t do live music as far as I can tell, but they don’t completley use computers, I hear violin and piano, flute and harp, brazen trumpets and drums, you just have to listen closely, try it.

          • Good day to you. I like music. As a citizen of the world, I salute all of you and praise everyone for being alive in this wonderful culture. What a great time for music. I also have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

        • Mmmm but then again you have musicians like yngwe malmsteen (having a hard time spelling his name) who dont have any “soul” but are still amazing musicians. Like, very mechanical and technical and intricate, but no emotion.

      • Techno music sounds like a computer being rapped and that’s coming from a 14 year old that understands musical theory and can tell a album with songs that have the same 4 chords from a Bruce Springsteen album that tells a story and actually takes talent. Wake the fuck up (btw fetty Wapp sounds like a retarded auto tuned goat)

        • I can see your point, but at the same time I listen to trace and euphoric hardstyle and the music has emotions. I listen to Metallica and ACDC as well, Coldplay, even the fleet foxes. So I respect you’re opinion but disagree

        • Ok well what about born in the usa? That whole song is litterally 2 chords. I mean i totally agree springsteen is good music. But not exactly “talent” as in standing out from the rest of people from the that erra.

          • There are actually three chords and Bruce Springsteen’s Born in the USA. But then again, you’re Millennials, so we don’t expect you to know that. You weren’t taught and you don’t know music theory.
            FYI, the chord you failed to identify is a suspended second. Go listen to the song again. Have a nice day 🙂

      • I agree… This article made me mad. Music is music, and different types of people like different types of music, and just because you don’t like some type of music doesn’t make it okay to hate on other people for liking that music.

        • “Music is music” is like saying “cars are cars,” “people are people,” or “food is food.” In other words, it says nothing. There is great music and bad music, which is the point of this post, however blunt it may be. Great music tends to last. Mediocre music fades to oblivion.

          More than 300 years after his death, Bach’s music is still played and recorded all over the word. It’s far more listened to and appreciated than it was in his own day, to the point that it has been incorporated in popular culture, although many people don’t realize this.

          Who will still be listening to dub step in 30 years, let alone in 300 years, if we survive that long as a species?

          • Time is an effective filter. The works of J.S. Bach are still performed and listened to, but there were plenty of mediocre to awful composers from the same era that are completely forgotten.

            Same goes for 60’s/70’s classic rock and oldies from the 50’s, what endured was what was best, and there was a ton of stuff that was justifiably discarded over the years.

            Ever seen the film Amadeus? For every Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, there were an abundance of Antonio Salieri types.

          • No argument there. There’s mediocre music in all genres. My point is that there’s little or no great music in the current pop music scene. It doesn’t take the filter of time to understand that.

            The great classical musicians were recognized, by at least a portion of the listening audience, as great in their day. They simply have more staying power than the flash in the pans, the musicians who pandered to a superficial public… Sort of like today.

          • Music is music and it’s opinions.
            Only the listener can determine what is good and bad for there ears not others.
            The point of this post was obviously sitar or just retarded rant. If some one hears Bach and says “this sucks” then they are right because it’s there opinion,you can’t be like “no it’s good and you’re wrong because it’s been around for more than 300 years, go get your ears checked”
            It’s all on opinion and any one that wants to seriously try to short talk any form of music like it’s a fact and not opinion is an idiot.
            Blunt as it may be trying to say anything about music as more than a personal opinion is stupid. In other words, it says nothing.

      • Shut the f*** up. It’s all garbage and has an oversexualized, terrible message over all of its repetitive crap. It sucks and you suck for liking it. No ridiculous amount of rationalization and calling people who ‘insulted you’ names is going to change that. Every single generation thinks itself wiser than their forebearers, and your ilk do this because they mistake the power of technology as their own ability.

        A bit about me: I am 25, am a biochemist and am almost certainly smarter than you are based on your sophomoric arguments. I am also a racist, because putting your own first, something that every organism on the planet does to survive, is not morally wrong. Looking forward to your butthurt over the words of a stranger when you could just ignore me.

        • Oversexualized & repetitive? That’s what previous generations said about jazz, early rock, disco, and pretty much every genre with lyrics…

          Other organisms look after their own species, for the survival of said species. Racism runs counter to species survival, as 1)the different ethnicities are not separate species; 2)racists are scientifically shown to be more prone to lower IQ & mental disorders in the socio/psychopathy spectrum, and 3)racism includes anti-miscegenation, which leads to genetic stagnation. This is why inbreeding is most common amongst white supremacists in the American South and xenophobic Muslim countries.

          Your ranting & childish comments about how smart you supposedly are & others’ “butthurt” shows that you are either an entitled attention-seeker, overcompensating for your shortcomings (such as your toxic personality), or simply a troll – which is often a mix of the previous types.

          Looking forward to you eventually growing out of your self-entitled, know-it-all attitude coated in ignorance.

          • Actually, if you look at it all of those people were usually right initially. It takes the older generation pointing out the weaknesses, then the kids get pissed, but actually start trying to make liars out of them out of spite. jazz at first was really simplistic, eventually you got Louis Armstrong then Charlie Parker. As a matter of fact there was a kind of feud like this between Louis Armstrong and Dizzy Gillespie. Same with rock, again simplistic and people were saying it lacked sophistication. Eventually you started getting bands like Deep purple, Led Zeppelin, and King Crimson proving them wrong. Disco always had some great bass playing but it never got more technical in the mainstream at least and eventually turned into house. metal started pretty simple and always carried the stigma of being noise, but soon you got queensryche, iron maiden, and others. We need the older generations to berate us because it keeps us moving, its the nature of things. Hate it if you like but this man is doing his part and what is natural.

          • Great observation. I’m waiting on bated breath for the generation’s Led Zeppelin. We’ve become so corporatized I’m not sure it will happen.

            Also, I’m not so sure that a generation gets pissed at comments by their elders. It’s more likely that music evolves, but for this you must have musical curiosity and drive.

          • Agreed

          • Some disco tracks also had complicated rhythmic Latin percussion (timbales, congas, etc..). Tracks like “When You Wake Up Tomorrow” by Candi Staton, “Jingo” by Candido,”Is It All Over My Face” Male Version by Loose Joints, “Trinidad” by John Gibbs & U.S. Steel Orchestra, and “You Don’t Care About Our Love” by China Burton. In addition, disco had a more diverse timbral elements due to full string and brass sections. Tracks “Love Sensation” by Loleatta Holloway, “Bourgie Bourgie” by Ashford and Simpson, and “Mainline” by Black Ivory.

        • You know, someday there’s going to be a new form of music, something you nor I could comprehend as of now, and you if I get my solid baring of your self preserving personality, will reject it as much as he rejects our music, someday you’ll look back at techno or dubstep, and see it as simple, you’ll attach to it, and reject the new form, you’ll be like a “more intelligent racist” version of the person you just swore at, and I hope sincerely when that day comes that you remember what you said here, and regret every last word you wrote.

        • Yup, most people of my day and age are (sorry) dumb people who can not think on there own.

        • Biochemist has nothing to do with music, unlike some people here (me) who are in more than one instrumental band, and play multiple instruments, and has played for over half of their life. If you really want to get into it about music make sure you know who you’re fucking with. Cause I will demolish you and when your down and crying I will have more to say and cause I’m a petty bitter bitch I will keep going. So if you want to have an opinion in music play an instrument and get a degree in music first because you just sound plain dumb to people who know what their saying. So stay out of it.

        • If you’re telling us to ignore you, then you shouldn’t make the damn comment you libtard. You’re clearly not a biochemist, because biochemists are way smarter than your ridiculously stupid ass.

          Even if you were a biochemist, that would explain your toxicity towards anything in style, because you’re just some nerdy faggot that can’t socialize for his life and can’t follow trends. Good day, you dumbass troglodyte.

      • I don’t think Nolan was referring to a particular crappy noise as such.
        I personally am bombarded by crappy, untalented garbage at the airport, bus, radio etc. continually without being asked.
        It’s the breaching of any sort of privacy that is the problem. Which is WHY we have Youtube, for at least we poor victims have a choice albeit confined to our homes to escape in the process.It’s of no surprise that artists such as Pavarotti, Miles Davis etc. are the preference to which such shitty, garbage adhere to. Disappointing perhaps to the robotic masses, methinks.

        • I’m not a fan of being forced to listen to music I don’t care for in public places, but it’s not new. When I was a kid, they played “Muzak” style music everywhere, what my brother called “Dentist Office Music” and it was dreadful. Badly arranged orchestrations of popular tunes and movie themes.

          Now we get pop music, piped in all over the place, even parking structures. Even the military uses rock music in recruitment commercials.

          All that matters is what passes the test of time.

      • Couldn’t possibly have worded that any better, Sebastian, good on you. Thank god there are people with open minds like you or else there’d be a lack of individualism in the world.

      • Im sorry I have to agree dub step sounds like a gang of lawnmowers and a bag of hammers, total crap. Rap takes no talent, any 15 year old can write stupid crap like that and then take sampled music from a real artist to make that crap palatable to some <25 yr old ear. anyways you win! it killed roc…. artists (oxymoron there) are lazy nowadays. kanye west is a genius (sarcasm there) piggy azela ariana grande. list goes on for bubble gum pop crap artists flooding the main stream. your argument is invalid!

        • previous comment @ sebatian and anyone else who thinks modern music is good.

      • “Intro,drop,outro”? I think that’s the same process as feeding my dog. With the same outcome.

        I can well believe that this electro garbage is a torture rechnique, heard some of it at the gym today and wanted dig out my ear drums and burn them

      • There’s this one song that’s so bad I wish I knew the name so I could post it here. It’s someone mumbling a nonsense phrase–not singing it, or even rapping, mind you–that would be fine. No. It’s just mumble and repeat. No attempt at ryhme.That same phrase is the hook and the bridge and the chorus, and the sound bite that’s used to advertise the song. It’s so dumb it fills me with a sense of wonder. The ‘Lonely Island Gang’can’t even spoof this kind of music. Their spoofs are better than what passes for real music at this point. Think about that. This is amazing. It’s like watching a fox decompose under time-lapse. It’s so fucking dark, but I can’t look away.

      • THANK YOU! SOMEONE HAS SAID IT

      • Could not have said it better, excellent reply. The sad thing is, is that these close minded pieces of shit will gain nothing from reading this….the world is truly a sad place.

      • I am sorry, but music is not sound, what YOU listen to is ‘organized sound’. Music, like already mentioned in this article is a form of human emotions and ideology. Music is played by humans, written by humans, and loved by humans. Calling it ‘organized sound’ is already quite ignorant because that is not what it is. Are you telling me a painting is ‘organized paint’? We don’t dislike today’s “music” because it is not classical, we dislike it because it is not music, it is not art, it does not express emotions nor does it make you feel emotions. The article already explained that, did you even understand any of it, or were you just simply blinded by the fact that you think somebody hates today’s “music”? This article is not an opinion, it is a fact! What you think is “music” is not art at all. Anyone can do it, all you have to do is just get a computer program that does it for you and then claim you did it, simple enough. Where is the artistic value in that? If everyone could paint the Monalisa would even be worth as much money as it is today? Think about that, because it works with music as well.

        • Do you even remotely understand how music production works? There’s no “computer program” that does it for you, lol, you have to sequence everything by hand. The sound is created by synths which are played just like a piano is except with the additional step of designing sound itself, sometimes samples are used in creative ways, etc. Listen to electronic artists like Boards of Canada, Oneohtrix Point Never, Lorn, Burial, Emancipator, Clark, etc. and tell me there’s not more creativity involved there than in 90% of the repetative butt rock people like you listen to.

          • Jeeze where have you been? Sequencers have been used since the beginning. Quantization, auto sync,looping…Yes there are programs that create patterns of arpeggiated sequences from a few simple notes.Yes, electronic music CAN be made to simulate human made music, but it takes an un-godly amount of time and number crunching, besides the fact that making it ‘human sounding’ seems to be anthetical to most electronic pop’composers’.
            Hey,at least butt-rockers took the time to learn a real instrument and play in real time…human time, not robot time.
            And if you think I’m ignorant of good electronic music, check out Isao Tomitas rendering of Modest Mussorgsky’s ‘Pictures at an exhibition’ for a very early example of totally synthesized (Moog) electronic music,humanized but without attempting to reproduce classical instrument sounds.

    • There is so much garbage in the world world today~!

    • Clearly you need to see Straight Outta Compton ma’am

    • I agree with you, Linda.
      In my opinion, black people should just go back to where they came, and leave music making to the superior race!

      • What the actual crap. I hope you’re kidding your racist little %&#@. Superior race?!!?! WTF MAKES YOU PART OF THE SUPERIOR RACE. You’re skin is just a different color. Black people are amazing. White people are amazing. Brown people are amazing. You’re a racist son of a ______. Get some perspective.

      • Jimi Hendrinx?

      • What tree did you climb out of?

      • It is hilarious you say that and I hate to do this but fuck it. How about you go do your research. BLACK FOLK INVENTED damn near every genre and it was copied and pasted by whites. If you’re soooo superior go tell Rittz to stop sounding like Tech N9ne and Krizz Kaliko. Imbecile

        • Thank yooou!!! I mean blues, rock and roll, rap (ie james brown founder of rap, you can hear him thinking of words trying to freestyle) and honestly how can anyone say rap doesnt need talent? I mean look at wax, that dude freestyles like a maniac. I doubt anyone in this forum can freestyle half as good as wax. And to say rap has no emotion? Honestly i get hecka sad listening to eminem (obviously not songs like real slim shady, or square dance. But space man, lose yourself, etc. and you can hear the pain in his voice once you get past his antics. And for all the people saying hiphop is all about sex, drugs, parties, etc. you’re trippin and you need to take it back to 78′ in the south bronx. Grandmaster flash is the man. Almost all rap before the gangsta rap erra (ie late 80’s) was great and was pretty clean and not about drugs sex and money. People who hate any genre, you need to REALLY study it all the way back to when it first started and then come talk to me. Most of you are, simply put, uneducated when it comes to music.
          Much love. Peace.

      • Jazz, blues, R&B, soul, and rock all originated with black musicians.
        The last original music created by whites was Baroque, sometime in the 1600s.

    • your a fucking prick, you ignorant music tasteless fool.

    • I rap. Everyone who raps or listens to it is not into garbage. I’m 24 and hate the shit. Generalization along with labeling rappers “Hood rats” is class A fuckery. You both go to hell

      • what.

        • Ikr this guy sounds like a fucking idiot like you don’t have to be 12 to like pop or 42 to like Pink Floyd. Music and taste is relative which is one of best parts about it. This guy is such an asshole honestly.

    • you don’t like that music bc its not for you
      you aged out
      look at this page hahaha look at that sidebar of supporter emeritus omfg hahah what a bunch of fucking boring normie dead in the eye soulless lumps – is anyone surprised at these angry old people complaining about youth culture they couldnt understand if they tried? hip hop rap electronic music em etc are peaking right now and pushing boundaries in all directions – is there garbage? of course – like everything – true fans learn how to wade thru and appreciate the soulful stuff. you angry dinosaurs aren’t doing anything but making each other feel better for being left out – for not understanding something that your not a part of and wasn’t made for you. dumb people are always scared of what they don’t understand this exactly whats going on here. a bunch of sad normies old and scared of young kids esp blk youth being expressive loud aggressive and getting it – pushing the culture forward not trying to confine into your boring little box with fixed rules. fuck out of here. no one relevant subscribes to this bullshit ideology – this is for scared people afraid of change – afraid of life.
      it don’t matter keep gathering in your boring hateful little circles where you can all yes each other to death in an angry old ‘all music is garbage’ circle jerk – no ones listening – no ones paying attention. you all contribute absolutely nothing to the culture. you will all be dead soon.
      one more time before i go tho – look at that fucking side bar hahaha omg. haha looks like a bunch of fucking english teachers haha,
      ok bye

    • you got that right! I tunes keeps me going, and the few remaining classic rock stations….REAL music!

    • Fuck country music

    • I am 13 years old and I absolutely can not stand today’s pop music, It is wicked bad. I can not stand how it all uses pentatonic scales and how it is all the same. It also has a lot of inappropriate content and It is all computer generated, using no real instruments and even no real voice. That’s right, they are just lip syncing. Music from 1990+ is all terrible (I haven’t heard a single good modern song) and when bands like Nirvana were introduced, they seemed to have one goal. That goal was to make pop music unbearable. So, just so you know, not everyone under the age of 25 listens to and likes the new music. If you mean my music is stupid, then you are talking about bands like The Beatles, Queen, The Four Seasons, Boston, Styx, Elvis Presley and more classic bands, singers, and songwriters’ music. I also can not stand the way that MOST (not all) teens and young adults are constantly on their stupid mobile devices and can not grow a brain that can think up why it is literally dumb to buy an apple product.

      • Ok all the bands you just named use pentatonic scales frequently. And there are SOME talented musicians/singers like bruno mars for example. Have you seen him live? Real singing, real instruments, and honestly some of his songs are real music imo. Justin timberlake (is an idiot) but he’s basically michael jackson. Good voice, and i’ve never seen him live but i think he has a real band as well.

      • Okay so you’re clearly retarded.
        Computers don’t make a full song by themselves you fucking idiot. You clearly have literally no idea how music production is carried out, and are also clearly too lazy to just fucking look it up on Google.

        The artist USES computer software to compile their music, that is not doing the work for the artist. Modern day remakes of classical music literally do the same thing. Not to mention the fact that people use computers to make oldies sound much better than the original records and such. Next comment you make, try not sounding like a completely close-minded little faggot who can’t just do his research.

    • That awkward moment when people generalize all rap artists to be hood rats and thugs. This only shows how clueless you all are about the genre. Yes, rap is music; you just don’t like it. Yes, some rap is in fact poetry. Listen to Floetry, The Roots, Cise Star, and so many others and you will see that it is not all “crap” written by “hood rats.” Educate yourselves on genres before posting such ignorant things. Peace.

    • There is so much different types music out there to go and judge one genre there is more than just traphouse and dubstep go and check out alternative rapp it has a postive message 75 Ark record label.. just like metal ,punk ,jazz, blues ,and country sometimes you have to take the bad with good I wouldn’t want everything to look or sound the same

    • I listen to 70s prog rock for my music fix.
      There are SOME electronic bands who are musical like Orbital but that dead pan shit made for druggos at rave parties,only for the dumb.
      I was born in the sixties but am greatly envious of those born in the fifties who embraced the best decade of music,the seventies.
      I remember the great music on the radio as a kid then around the mid eighties the rot started.
      Prog rock and jazz fan.

    • really hood rats oh shoude we just call u pristine rate

    • Above article is the absolute best (on the subject) that I’ve ever heard. Bravo Nolan! Mort Weiss -SMS JAZZ The Mort Report @ All About Jazz

    • What ticks me off is that some of the men are so proud about writing nothing more than inane rhymes that anyone could have written. The egos are far bigger than the talent.

      I do like a few rappers such as Eminem, Missy Elliot, and Nelly. But that is about it.

      I have very eclectic tastes, but that does not mean that I like anything and everything. There is a lot of crap in every genre, but there is some good stuff too.

    • Ok so your proving a nonexistant point nolan . I know that todays music is crap but dont tell me that my music is garbagem in 16 and i listen to rock bands so stfu.

    • Fuck you. Or else go fuck yourself asshole cocksucker shit eater you eat shit like whipped cream go slice your penis or insert a big fucking knife into your fucking rotten pussy.

    • I am under 26 and I listen to good music.

    • Devon says rap is poetry XD. How is fuck bitches get money poetry? You wish your culture knew about poetry making excuses. Rap is trash

      • You clearly have no concept of what poetry is.
        Poetry is literally defined as the following:

        “literary work in which special intensity is given to the expression of feelings and ideas by the use of distinctive style and rhythm; poems collectively or as a genre of literature.”

        Yeah that literally describes any song, there. Nice try, bud.

    • Nolan.man.land.you must be high.your opinion matters.not is the variation to the station your on.space cadet.directions.cypher my enigmatic addict at it again I must be high run and tell ya friends to tottem to poll you thru how is the difference lie or truth punctuations?!?! Dot dot noun action facts are fiction when cyphers inflict them I’m infecting your brain scape.ewww yup I heard some one say..rapping your eyes liturary rymes like hot dimes to your top spot.your top spot.brains.matter mathimatic I’m iller and more skilled than even slim Mr yes eminiem no more periods because his is done this is that superman I be killing rappers comics comets and your blog now fer fun got everybody wanting to run do you see my picture because I’m painting this true who knew I wasn’t as smart as you do you do you have a clue I said you must be high..did you think I meant drugs?

    • Aight, so I know your comment is old but just… Damn Linda, I pray to god you’re joking. You sound like you’re over 80 at the very least. But damn, even my late 50 y/o Dad can appreciate new rap, especially non-mumble rappers like Ski Mask the Slump God. Please just be joking.

  2. tell us how you really feel…….
    I love it !!!!!!!!!

  3. Reminds me of the late 70’s when everyone got those little Casio Keyboards for Christmas, the “music” generated out of those little pieces of crap was almost as bad as this Dubstep “music”.

  4. Blah, blah, blah, the younger generation are no good, blah, blah, blah, get off my lawn, blah, blah, blah, my music is awesome, yours sucks, blah, blah, blah, I’m old and constipated and cranky.

    • I take it you like rap and dubstep lol

      • nice ad hominem, dumbass

        • I bet you listen to Khia talking about her buttcrack. Degenerate.

    • Offensive much? 🙂

        • Bitches who tell people to drink bleach or suicide are fucking cowards. Suck it up and act more immature, asshole

    • “Modern music has to be art, because if it isn’t, what the fuck am I doing with my life?”

      Is all I read.

    • npc>>>maybe you need a plunger

    • if still loving ONLY real music, classic rock makes me old constipated and cranky then I am proud to be just that! Listen to the crud today, just shoot me!

    • REALLY? YOUR generation is constipated and cranky cause you can’t even get off your damn phones or computers long though to do some work that would keep you from NOT getting constipated! Y’all don’t dance, you sit on your phones at bars and most of your houses look like pig styes if you don’t live with your parents still! Your generation is scarey as it accepts anything as being normal… I won’t go into that one! So before you crap on a person who lived through some of the best decades of musical history take a look at your own health problems… especially mental health issues and sweep your own damn house! Your rude and disrespectful… a prime reflection of your horrid second grade mentality of music!

      • Brilliant, brilliant.
        So you make a shitty-ass comment spewing a bunch of bullshit, and you can’t even spell or use correct tenses.

        Absolutely brilliant. She’s trying to tell us off for being ignorant and trash human beings when she can’t even write the English language properly. Let me tell you something, sweetheart. Try not being a close-minded, dried-up dickmonkey about everything. Not to mention, if you’re so resourceful with your life as opposed to ours, then why don’t you use some of your money and buy a dictionary, cunt.

  5. New technology is ruining music. Just like when digital amps replaced tube amps. Or when people started playing electric guitars instead of acoustic. Or when they abandoned the harpsichord for that new-fangled pianoforte.

    Fancy gadgets are not ruining modern music. What you see is a combination of Sturgeon’s Law and survival bias. 90% of everything is crap. Old stuff is better because only the good stuff survives.

  6. Nolan ! Picking the worst of today’s electronic music (US-based dubstep, which I indeed would rather stab my eardrums with a fork than listen to) to make your case against electronic music, a genre that has litterally dozens and dozens of facets, is such a cheap shot. It’s like if I wanted to prove how opera is bad by making you listen to someone who can’t sing at all. Blanket statements like this are truly horrendous.

    Come on. There is plenty of electronic-based music that fits all the criteria you mentionned. Thousands of records. And it goes back to a time where today’s 25 years old werent’t even born. How old were you when Kraftwerk started ? What about Donna Summer and all the disco produced by Giorgio Moroder ? And you’re not that older than Laurent Garnier who’s still putting on a clinic every time he goes near a turntable.

  7. YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. First off let me say I’m a fan of this blog.

    Secondly, I’m completely on board with #fuckdubstep. I’ll even agree that most popular music in mainstream American culture can be described as “trashy”. Most of it lacks talent, skill, or heart. Worse, most is produced for the sole purpose of monetary gain, which according to Real Art Defined by H0b, disqualifies it as being labeled as real art.

    However, I have to take issue with #1 on your list of real music qualifiers. David Cope, a part time composer/computer programmer, created a program called Electronic Music Intelligence (EMI). The purpose of this program was to help Cope’s “writers block” while composing. Input the music you are working on and the computer program will compose something similar, based on the fundamentals of aesthetics. Over time, as Cope continued to develop the program, he exposed it to a ever expanding database of music for the program to draw “inspiration” from. Eventually EMI could write entire symphonies (many available for download) without any creative input needed from Cope, other than the basic instructions he programmed into the software.

    EMI can illicit from it’s listeners real emotion. In response to a particular movement composed by EMI, philosopher Daniel Dennett wrote that it “brought a tear to my eye”. Most human listeners who are exposed to something composed by EMI alongside something written by a human cannot tell which is which.

    Regardless of how trashy popular music has become, every now and then a truly great piece of art surfaces for everyone to enjoy. If art were easy, everyone would do it all the time. It isn’t easy to be a good DJ or beat mixer, just like it isn’t easy to be a good MC, guitarist, or computer programmer.

    The human brain is a computer many times more powerful than the best computer we have to date. If real music can’t come from computers, good luck finding real music ever again.

    • NOLAN REPLIES:

      Very thoughtful reply with some meaningful content. I’m sure others too will be interested in learning more about the music program EMI. I’ll look into this and perhaps write a follow up.

      Appeciated,

      — ND

      • You’re my elder, you do not have my respect. You unprogressive shitheadje, you’re from the generation making you’re county (im not from yur county) getting into crisis. You don’t have knowledge about music, art (en liefde de enigste liefde die ge kent is die voor uw godverlaten ego) You only have made yourself a laughing stock. Mais ainsi soit-il. niet zo uit de hoogte doen domme r-tardige kut.

        • And you can’t spell haha. You know nothing of art.

          • you even looked at a D.A.W

          • Um SS is speaking another language, not just English. He/she can spell, you just can’t read it. Being bilingual is an art. Get to it.
            傻子
            gilipollas

            Have fun translating that.

    • First of all let me tell you that the last paragraph is completely invalid because electronic music isn’t automated by computers lol.
      Yeah so popular music is not trashy. Some of it is just a different style and meant for different purposes. An electronic partying song is valid music and an emotional acoustic song is valid music too. And dubstep is…I mean like it’s meant for that kind of “thrill” I guess, it’s still enjoyable to some people. And also you don’t know like anything about pop music. You’re ignorant (which is a fact; sorry to be all like that but I’m just clearing up some things lol). Goodbye

    • Nolan.. I agree 100% with what you are saying. Went to an local talent “awards show” last night and the entertainment would have been better performed by first graders. I’m serious… it was embarrassing and I cannot believe people actually think most of this stuff is good! Can they hear properly? Maybe it’s because I grew up in the 60’s and 70’s starting my life listening to true talent… like the Beatles, Hendrix, Floyd, Zeppelin, Deep Purple, ELP, along with many other genre’s although progressive rock has always been my favorite! After the 70’s I continued with some of the 80’s and then the awesome creativity in the 90’s! What the hell happened? I am totally in awe and disbelief and it saddens me! It seemed to just bottom out especially in the last decade.

  9. I’m pretty sure dubstep is made to be listened to by young people waving glowsticks while heavily under the influence of recreational drugs like “molly” and being bombarded with fancy lighting effects at a nightclub or a music festival in the middle of the night.

    • SAYIN THAT LIKE IT’S A BAD THING SON LET ME REITERATE MY POINT ABOUT MOZART’S PELVIS

  10. Congratulations! You’re old!

    I’ll get off your lawn right away, sir.

    • BOOM. agreed.

  11. I love your columns Nolan. You are never short on opinions which is way more fun than the alternative. But I think you’re a little off on this one. Like you, I hate the kind of music you’re describing. However, to say there is nothing out there that’s new and worthwhile is just not true.

    Every generation seems to hate somebody else’s music. When I was in high school I had posters of Ozzie Osbourne, Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest and Led Zeppelin all over my room. My parents didn’t know if I was a pot head or a devil worshiper (sadly I wasn’t interesting enough to be either).

    It’s funny now to think that at one point Elvis Presley and the Beatles were outrageous to the Glenn Miller generation. It looks as if “Dubstep” is having the same affect today.

    Okay Dubstep is cringe-worthy, but there are some amazing new bands out there that you might want to try. Here’s a few:

    Black Keys
    Arcade Fire
    Silversun Pickups
    Imagine Dragons
    Death Cab for Cutie
    Vampire Weekend
    The Shins

    • ayy lmao those bands suck ass

    • those bands suck 2

    • The Black Keys and Imagine Dragons are awful.

    • >Implying these bands are good

      • It’s called an opinion. People have different minds you know

  12. Old ass nigga. 2chainz is better than Mozart

    • Haaaaahaaaaaaa! 2chains! Baaaahaaaaaaaaaaa! He couldnt do anything artistic, if he put down the joint and popped afew brain cells to the “on” position!!!!

      • 2chainz digs up mozart’s skeleton and uses the femur to hit the pelvic bone and makes better music than beethoven all u old racists can suck my shit

    • God damn he’s even worse than Drake.

  13. No, you suck.

  14. You know, Nolan, not all new music is bad or terrible.
    There is some really great electronic music out there, you really should check out some of the Japanese artists. Merzbow is a really talented artists, his album “Pulse Demon” is really great, maybe it’ll give you another perspective on electronic music.
    Another great artist is Kashiwa Daisuke, you should also listen to “Program Music I”

    -jay

    • Program music 1, best album ever!

  15. The fact that so many books still name the Beatles “the greatest or most significant or most influential” rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success: the Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worth of being saved.
    In a sense the Beatles are emblematic of the status of rock criticism as a whole: too much attention to commercial phenomena (be it grunge or U2) and too little attention to the merits of real musicians. If somebody composes the most divine music but no major label picks him up and sells him around the world, a lot of rock critics will ignore him. If a major label picks up a musician who is as stereotyped as one can be but launches her or him worldwide, your average critic will waste rivers of ink on her or him. This is the sad status of rock criticism: rock critics are basically publicists working for free for major labels, distributors and record stores. They simply publicize what the music business wants to make money with.

    Hopefully, one not-too-distant day, there will be a clear demarcation between a great musician like Tim Buckley, who never sold much, and commercial products like the Beatles. And rock critics will study more of rock history and realize who invented what and who simply exploited it commercially.

    Beatles’ “aryan” music removed any trace of black music from rock and roll: it replaced syncopated african rhythm with linear western melody, and lusty negro attitudes with cute white-kid smiles.

    Contemporary musicians never spoke highly of the Beatles, and for a good reason. They could not figure out why the Beatles’ songs should be regarded more highly than their own. They knew that the Beatles were simply lucky to become a folk phenomenon (thanks to “Beatlemania”, which had nothing to do with their musical merits). THat phenomenon kept alive interest in their (mediocre) musical endeavours to this day. Nothing else grants the Beatles more attention than, say, the Kinks or the Rolling Stones. There was nothing intrinsically better in the Beatles’ music. Ray Davies of the Kinks was certainly a far better songwriter than Lennon & McCartney. The Stones were certainly much more skilled musicians than the ‘Fab Fours’. And Pete Townshend was a far more accomplished composer, capable of “Tommy” and “Quadrophenia”. Not to mention later and far greater British musicians. Not to mention the American musicians who created what the Beatles later sold to the masses.

    The Beatles sold a lot of records not because they were the greatest musicians but simply because their music was easy to sell to the masses: it had no difficult content, it had no technical innovations, it had no creative depth. They wrote a bunch of catchy 3-minute ditties and they were photogenic. If somebody had not invented “beatlemania” in 1963, you would not have wasted five minutes of your time to read a page about such a trivial band.

    • you are my hero

    • You are either being incredibly dishonest, or you’ve never listened to the Beatles.

    • you are a fucking idiot. I hate how all these pretentious people on this thread dont seem to understand that music is subjective. You can never criticise someone elses music. you can say how you dont like it. But any musician or critic would understand that everyone has a different view. For example, ive never liked House music, but i completely understand how people love it and become obsessed. This article is outrageously obnoxious and whoever this Nolan person is obviously thinks he knows a lot more than he actually does

      • Thank you so much for your comment, Maccy. This whole time reading this post, I was thinking the same thing. Who cares if you dislike a music, doesn’t mean you should go on the internet and bitch about it. It’s even better if you listen and understand why people like and listen to the music. Yeah, I listen to Dubstep, EDM, electro etc, but I don’t hate any other genres, of any kind. Sure, some I like more than others, but I rarely hate any genres or any authors of said genres. The only respect I have for right now is you, not some ranting, over thirty year old guy, who doesn’t even understand how the music is mad, or why people like it.

      • preach maccy. Let him have his opinion, but I’ll shove some facts and science in his face

        (feel free to read my long-winded comment at the bottom)

    • Thank you someone else for saying what I’ve been saying. although I’m only in high school, I’m disgusted by my friends music. It BREEDS STUPIDITY.

    • haha rock music has been dead since like the 50s

    • Perry, there’s something you don’t get about The Beatles. It wasn’t the promotion, or their affability with the media. because over 50 years later, children respond to Beatles songs in a way they do not with The Kinks, Stones or The Who.

      Sorry you’re missing out on the joy that’s part of their winning combination.

  16. Nolan,

    Your article comes off as ignorant and narrow minded. Your seven points that define “real music” are arbitrary and you try to present yourself as a music elitist or authority but fail miserably.

    If you truly did try to explore all genres of music, as you claimed, you probably would have stumbled across at least one of hundreds of talented artists making “lifeless, talentless” electronic music since the 60s. It is not at all a new phenomenon. For instance, Edgar Froese, mind behind Tangerine Dream (and older than you) pioneered many techniques that are used today in genres such as techno, ambient, and house.

    Music is a passion of mine and I have been collecting records and going to shows since I was in the 9th grade. I’ve had the pleasure of knowing many people in your age group who deeply care about music, during my time working at a community radio station and all were far more mature and open minded than you are. I resent your broad dismissal of any contemporary musician or music enthusiast. As far as eliciting “real emotions”, just because you personally don’t care for something doesn’t mean the same goes for everyone else.

    Also, excessive profanity does not reinforce your argument (argument here being used liberally) nor does it add humor. If I had to guess the age of the author based on the voice of the article alone, I would say early teens. I know your heart is in the right place, and I personally don’t care for newer “EDM” music either, but making broad generalizations will cause people to perceive you as dim-witted.

    Regards,
    An avid listener of “fucking garbage”

    • great reply, you got there before me!

    • Right? EDM follows literally all of those “guidelines for real music” except for 7. Which in that case he’s a fucking hypocrite because you can’t enjoy music with technology. You can’t write a song without using a guitar, which is technology in itself. Also you can’t even listen to it without speakers or headphones which are technology. Such a flawed, pretentious article.

      Excuse my mini-rant, people like this just piss me off.

    • Oh my goodness, bless your soul. I totally agree with you. You should see my very long-winded comment at the bottom of this thread. I’m not sure if I swore or not, but I guess it would be appropriate as I’m a teen- late teens, not early teens. Oh well.
      But I’m sure I give a good argument totally backed by fact rather than the bais and opinions Nolan has here.

  17. wow! another hot new opinionated article on a very sensitive topic to gain lots of clicks and money! bravo! viewers are gonna be really pleased with this new product designed solely to spread like wildfire across the net because of how edgy and outrageously confrontational it is!

    nolandella.com, your one stop for the hot new thing you wish you hadn’t read!

  18. Nolan,
    http://youtu.be/mXPiLA9pKXw?t=8s

    I don’t even LIKE dubstep. But I feel like coming to its defense, nobody deserves to be accosted by a cranky grandpa. 🙁

  19. im going to run this article through text-to-speech software and sample it in a new dubstep track. thanks grandpa. also ur opinions are garbage

    • i would love to hear that song playing at his furneral

    • please please do this and post a link. i would pay you for that song

    • Dude, if you really do that, if you can send me the song, that would be totally awesome. Make a nice drop with his ranting ?

  20. Did somebody hide the prune juice behind the Raisin Bran or something?

    Some people have different tastes, and I don’t see why your word should be taken as gospel when it touches on the topic of something as deeply personal and objective as music, even more so when you aim to shame and condemn others for something so insignificant as what they think is good music. The human race is adapting to new technology, which means new ways of producing and enjoying culture– including music. This is how it is and will always be, with constant change and flux to our surroundings and environment; as long as the human race moves forward, so too will the public interest in all aspects of culture. You may not like it, but every generation after yours will be adapting without you. You can either join them or be left behind as bitter, crotchety, and dare I say immature as you seem to be in this article.

    I’m a something-teen well on my way to full-fledged adulthood, and if this is the way that some members of the elder community are going to act, I hardly think I’ll be too inclined to bother with their complaints. You can like whatever type of music you please, it means nothing to anyone but yourself, but please at least try to give others the same courtesy. It’s their business whether they want to ruin their ears with mainstream dubstep (which I enjoy) or more traditional (which I also enjoy) or even choose to consume even more dated forms of music, like classical pieces. (Again, which I happen to enjoy.) Someone’s taste can be as narrow or varied as their taste in any other aspect of modern culture. It’s not up to you or me or anyone else to judge how they enjoy things. The second you display just how hateful you are to younger generations, your credibility as a music enthusiast and as a decent human being positively flies out the window.

    Please try to behave with a little more discretion when it comes to bashing people who just so happen to enjoy a thing you don’t. You might disappoint your mother.

  21. Nolan,
    I am sorry but I will have to disagree with you. I will admit straight up I am under 25, but I do not agree with the statement that the music is shit. It may not be to your standards of good or pleasing to the ears, but I happen to enjoy listening to dubstep, electronica, and pop. It’s all about your tastes.
    I didn’t like how you called it fucking garbage, it makes it out to say that all the music nowadays is shit and that is not the case. I happen to know a lot of people who enjoy the dubstep scene. And you bash dubstep as if no one over the age of 25 likes it. Which is complete bull shit.
    And you say we are little shits and fucking pricks, well how about you check yourself sir, you are acting like a fucking bitch ass hoe and I will have none of your fucking old ass horse shit about how shitty my favorite genre of music is so how about you get off of your old ass soap box and sit the fuck down before I push you off.
    And for all of the #FuckDubstep people, kindly fuck off and leave us all alone. Just because you don’t like our music doesn’t mean you have the right to bash us and try to take our genre down completely.
    I am disappointed in you Mr. Noland, I would have thought your generation would have understood what it means to let other people have their say in what they like.
    Do kindly fuck off.
    ~Arianna

    • In reply to your comment, your music sucks. The criteria for real music should include what Nolan said is real music. The Rolling stones meet this. If your favorite modern band has sold over 200 million record and lasted as long as the rolling stones music has, then we can talk. Profanity is not strengthening your case either. The Stones a Bigger Bang tour has produced approximately 558.3 million dollars overall by the year 2013. Your favorite bands could not make that much money in their careers with piracy on the rise. Until a modern band you like can meet the requirements of Nolan’s definition of music and/or be as successful as the stones. Your modern music is inferior and will not measure up.

      • This reply is so stupid it sounds like a parody. The Rolling Stones, The Who and Pink Floyd all used synthesizers, so they are no longer real music by his standards. Does “(I can’t get no) Satisfaction” actually bring out real emotion in you? Does playing 8 single notes on one string of a heavily-distorted electric guitar constitute talent? If it does, then sitting at a computer, planning out a song with a nearly infinite amount of sounds at your disposal and creating it is definitely talent. Why is a synthesizer not a real instrument anyway? It makes noise. You need training to figure out how to do it. You can’t just hit a button and make music like I’m sure you think electronic music makers do. If the Rolling Stones are real music then they must be cross generational. My grandparents hate the Rolling Stones. Instantly disqualifies them as music by these, again, narrow-minded definitions.

        I think I have proven my point. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Stones, but your point is more or less completely invalid.

      • Uh huh sure, let’s completely take out the fact of BIGASS CONCERTS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ATTENDING HUGE DUBSTEP AND EDM CONCERTS. Welcome to the future pal, where your opinion about your hate, is not given one single fuck about.

      • There is no such thing as real or inferior music you asshole. It’s purely subjective. According to your logic the Rolling Stones’s music would be inferior if they marketed themselves terribly.

  22. let me just say I am 21 and I don’t listen to any of today’s dubstep music and what have you, but I find this article to be quite laughable. Stating that this kind of music is shit is an opinion, not a fact. It should not be stated as though it is a fact.
    And secondly why is it such a big issue? Every one has the right to listen to what they wish. Until this music causes one of your arms to fall off spontaneously, I do not think it should be such a big concern that you need to insult any one who happens to like that music.
    Furthermore, arguing “today’s music sucks. ughhh this generation is horrible” is over done. Every single generation has had some sort of quarrel with the music that the next generation has been listening to. do you think every one agreed with Elvis’ music? Michael Jackson’s? The Beatles? To some, their style of music may not have been any good because they rather the music of their generation.
    You may have your own opinion, but thrusting it upon others as facts is as childish as the people you accuse of being so for listening to today’s music.

    • Finally someone who understand the difference between fact and opinion. I would love your feedback on me trashing Nolan at the very end of this thread. I did provide my opinion, but I also provided beautiful, fabulous scientific facts.

      Nolan doesn’t have his stuff straight.

  23. HI,
    Time to set you straight, sir!

    Well, i Seem to really enjoy little luciano’s music(Well, atleast the ones i have heard of).Oh lawd, What miracle is this?! Im not even old enough to be worthy of being able to like it! :O

    And i didn’t even know that music could fuck garbage …

    ANDDDDD i am not even 25, which means the music you like is SHIT TOO! HAH! I guess the title makes for a good igniter, but just fizzes out in a few seconds.

    Also, HOW THE FUCK IS THIS “GOOD MUSIC” OF YOURS GONNA BE “CROSS GENERATIONAL” IF IT AUTOMATICALLY TURNS TO UTTER SHITE IF SOMEONE UNDER 30 LISTENS TO IT ?? LOLOLOLO. Talk about self-counters.

    Once again, coming back to comparing age with taste in music … this a VERY retarded way of labeling music as shit or gold. Did i mention it being very retarded? Oh yeah, i did.

    Even someone in their 70’s can be “DIGGING” Lil’Wayne or uh that minaj girl.
    Take this from me :
    ~Taste in Music is like Wisdom, you don’t need to be old to have it.~

    I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AHEAD AND TALK ABOUT OTHER PARTS OF YOUR ARTICLE, BUT I AM STUCK ON THE THOUGHT THAT YOU JUST HATE THE FOLLOWING GENRES

    ELECTRONIC
    DUBSTEP
    TECHNO
    POP,etc,etc.
    ————–
    You seem to have great hatred towards any music that incorporates the use of an “electronic instrument”, i assume.

    Next time you think someone’s choice in music is utter SHIT, you just say ” is no for me”.

    Good Night and
    PEACE OUT, HOLMES!||

    • I will reply to you in a similar manner. The definition of real music in the article is what it is. Electronic, Dubstep, an Techno Suck. If your favorite modern bands can stand up to The Rolling Stones, Billy Joel, The Bee gees, Iron Maiden, Metallica, U2, Kiss and so on let me know. The bands I listed have music that is still listened to by a lot of people. Metallica has sold over 100 million records along with Kiss, Billy Joel, The Rolling Stones, Iron Maiden, U2 and so on. if your modern music can say that and be cross generational, let me know. Otherwise, modern music sucks.

      • Interesting.

    • Preach Badri. I may be two years late on replying to this comment but *applause* YES. you should read my comment at the very bottom of this thread.

  24. And to all the other people here getting so offended by one person’s opinion about their music:

    Caman guys, no need to get offended. lol. Its not even you who made the music. So what’s with all this over defensiveness?( really, just think about it)

    It’s like me insulting your favourite Fruit lol. Will you get mad at me if you loved pineapples, and i said “man, pineapples taste like shit”.

    Different tastes.

    …. sometimes a person’s taste in music can just be total shit. but It’s got NOTHING to do with age!

    YOLO ! 2CHAINZ !

    • There’s a difference between speaking your opinion and screaming it as if it were a fact. Let’s say I walked up to you on the street and yelled, “APPLES ARE F***ING DISGUSTING AND YOU’RE A DUMBA** FOR EATING THEM!” That’d be this article, translated into your hypothetical scenario of fruit.

  25. How about you get off your high horse? Seriously, don’t you think people were saying the same exact thing when instruments were invented? Oh no, they fucking weren’t because they didn’t have a stick shoved up their ass. Granted some “artists” are truly out there for money, but it’s not fair to discredit the numerous amounts of people who use today’s technology to their advantage. (i.e.: Zedd, Imagine Dragons, Band of Horses, Matt Kearney, Passenger, Adele, Kina Grannis, Bruno Mars, Lady Gaga etc. etc. et fucking c.)

    Seriously, it’s people like you who corrupt others (especially easily influenced young people) and cause stress, sadness, and absolute hate in society. I would be fine with this if it was written with any semblance of intelligence, but clearly it’s not.

    God damn, you bring shame to the human race and the entire concept of art and music. Please stop.

    • Yes, we like totally, should be liek thankful for Lady Gaga’s music tech! AND LIKE ETC ET FUCKING C I AM SO ANGRY IN MY WOMANLY OPINION I CAN YELL FUCK OVER TOP OF YOU IN BETWEEN WORDS EVEN

      • No. Bad, bad Mark. You do bot win arguments by hitting caps lock and by making a parody of an opinion that you barely understand. The touch of machism that I detect does nothing to help, either.

    • Actually you do, sorry ! All those examples are pieces of trash, consumer driven bullshit. When you’re trying to give intelligent examples you might want to leave Lady Caca and Bruno Mars out. And there is a correlation between intelligence and musical taste no matter how much you try to deny it. But I do agree with the fact that it’s not the instrument that makes shitty music, it’s the human behind it. Even rock bands of the 70’s had synthesizers, but they knew theory and had skill and talent to use them. The music just reflects it’s society.

      • Just because you think it’s trash doesn’t really mean it’s trash. That’s also a hypocritical statement about Bruno mars and lady gaga

    • Wow, every modern band/artist you listed is terrible.

  26. Hey old fart you listed shit bands with no vocal or instumeantal talent I think new age 90′ death metal would blow your fagg oriented rock n’ roll bullshit away. Anyway you couldnt even comprehend 00′-newer metalcore hardcore music with 250 Bmp or higher tempo with a lead guitarist and rhythm guitare not including a bassist. Or may the keyboardist or the harsh vocals screamer and the backup clean vocals “singer”. I have a way more expanded undestanding of modern music. The only bands your bullshit applies to old man is pop-new rock or boyband auto tune like the cock eyed’ pees =P get burned define your terrible opinions more clearly next time you bore your audience with the typical cranky oldman act. Good day hospice care recepient. (Good for nothing POS)

    • Is this copypasta? You sound like angry 90s kid complaining about angry old man just because you don’t like pop/newer rock and autotune doesn’t mean it’s terrible, by going after one group of music instead of tolerating it or maybe not caring, you put yourself in the same group as him

  27. I think just like Religion, Politics and other personal stuff, Music is one of them. I’m not being biased and i listen to almost any genre as well, from classics, disco, country, house, etc. and i love them equally. I’m saying this with no disrespect to anyone, but i think liking whatever genre of music is subjective and everyone is entitled to their own view of how each genre of music sounds for them. Enough said, i’m outta here. #goodvibes

  28. Ok I am 14 now and I listen to Nirvana,Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Matchbox 20, shinedown, The Offspring, Red Hot Chili Peppers,Mudhoney, and if I am in the mood some Daft Punk so if that is all bad music then screw my tastes.

  29. Hey, have you wrote music before? I am just curious is all..

  30. You are a bigot and an insult to music and artists everywhere. Fuck you opinion dubstep is entertaining, and so is lady gaga. Guess what. I love Mozart and rachmaninoff. I stop playing them on piano, and then listen to Nero and skrillez. Just stop

  31. just because you’re old doesn’t entitle you to be respected, you old cracker

  32. Soooo we souhld be angry about what you said? I’m 19 and I really don’t care what you think, your arguments has lack of logic and you wont change my music tastes, imagine you would have born in this era, what would you listen?

  33. Tipper. Clark. Bonobo. TYCHO. LORN!
    Not all electronic music is for douchebag rich kids on drugs.
    The 5 afore mentioned prove art is still alive in emerging, untapped, and previously unavailable mediums of art.

    • Or they’re all good and this guy is delusional

  34. Couldn’t agree more with what this man has said. Music today is absolute fucking garbage. We live in a fantasy world of screens and computers. What’s the first thing people do when they wake up? Check their screen on their nightstand, then they go take a shit while checking their facebook on their screen, they make their morning coffee and turn on the news, get into their car and program their GPS screen for directions to their jobs, get to work sit on their ass and clickidy click click clack on their screen alllll fucking day. When their bored they pull out their pocket screen and text and send emojis to their butt buddies on social media. Get off work, go home and turn on the screen, eat dinner, and fall asllep in bed watching their screen.

    • Are you like 60 years old? You also had one sentence involving music, then you trailed off about how today is some “dystopia” because of all the technological progress we’ve made, you completely trailed off the topic much like an old person who’s ears are too old for today’s music

    • And there goes another person who doesn’t understand how the world changes. Technology is great. We would know limits if it wasn’t for technology. I guess you’re stupid, a troll or mad because you can’t afford technology or use it. People like watching TV. So what about it? They don’t go to facebook on their toilets – not everybody. And the way you said people click in their jobs all day, corporation/business jobs, even police and many other. But there’s still tonnes of jobs that don’t require any damn clicking. Plumber, builder, cleaner, waiter, cook and tonnes of others. As Bob said, you completely trailed off. I do agree that some people that make music nowadays, especially pop should be shot. What is stupid, is famous. There still are people that understand the stupidity of them, and I’m one of them. But you sir, you are over exaggerating the whole fucking technology evolution. You better thank technology – Gets you planes and ships to get your ass on holidays, helps find the robber of your damn car, gets you to places faster, and helps you get there even if you don’t know the location of it. And you know what? You go hating technology and what? You have your damn PC and wrote this comment.

    • AMEN

    • @chris
      Sorry, but as @Stranger said, you typed this ON YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICE. Otherwise, you’re God. I’m an apatheist, but I believe there was something in there about all-loving? I dunno. One point I’d like to address is this: what about ancient humans and tools? When somebody was found picking fruit from trees with a damn spear, do you think the people who found them were immediately in love with the thing? Oh, well, maybe they were, and you’re just being uptight. Technology is ADVANCEMENT. It’s evolution. It’s modern life for most people, and you’re living a modern life. I hope that doesn’t encourage you to commit suicide, you overreacting fossil.

    • spot on, i’m glad some said this ! top marks haha

  35. These are the type of people that are ruining the arts. Grumpy old men who are jealous of the progression that innovative people are making.

  36. I just want to point out that this man is a jack ass who can only aware his opinion through a shit blog. I would like to see him actually debate this with a real composer.

  37. I find this post very accurate, relevant and really funny. Myself is a jazz rock musician. I am also classically trained. Have used software and machines in recording. Really shitty and no feels to it. There’s no money to be made in quality music. Just reading about big corp. like coca cola and all the famous cereal boxes. They all sponsor this stupid garbage because of they can amass big crowds of ignoramouses who knows nothing about music but brings in millions.

    • Yeah your ears are too old then too

  38. Jesus H. Christ this drivel is just wrong and irresponsible on so many levels…and by the way, do you have ANY idea how many fuckers from YOUR generation come to OUR generation’s music festivals?

  39. Probably written by some old fat cumbubble whos brain is too primitive to acknowledge new sounds as music. Good job *clap-clap*

  40. Actually, I’d like to set something straight. I am a 16 year old girl who is completely addicted to classical music. I simply cannot put down my headphones when I am listening to works such as Bach’s “Art of Fugue”, “The Well-Tempered Clavier”, and his “Mass in B Minor”. So just know – us cultured teenagers are out there. While it is true that there are not many of us, we are out there.

    • You’re not special

      • Thanks for clarifying that for me; though based on your lack of any punctuation at the end of your “sentence”, I am led to believe that you are merely attempting to make yourself feel better about your own sickeningly mundane life.

        I’d also like to say that this post, along with the comments, are laughably immature and hateful. Grow the f*ck up and listen to the music you want to listen to and stop patronizing everyone else for what they listen to.

        • You’re not special [2]

          • I think I’m extra special. I think I’m EXTRAORDINARILY special because I listen to Bach like a sir. I love you, opus gold. But I guess, thank you. You have caused me to ponder my very existence and open my eyes to the fact that I am not special. The constellations, the galaxies- the universe as a whole- how could I possible be special when these infinite, complex structures exist among us? You have enlightened me- and for that, I am forever grateful.

    • Hey Izzy! I was so glad to read your comment as I am 17 and simpply adore classical music. Do you think you could help me compose my very own comment to show just how smart and “cultured” I really am? I’m scared that all these “older folks” might not understand how cool I am. Also I would like to congratulate you. Not only did you show everyone just how special you are, you corrected someone’s grammar. Bravo!

  41. Sorry you like crappy, shallow music, you close minded son of a bitch.

    Don’t take your frustrations out on me. At the end of the day, I’ll be expanding my horizons, challenging my tastes in music an growing as a result, while you listen to the same simplistic drivel that is generic as generic can be, on a fucking loop, for the rest of your life.

    Remember that. Remember that you’re a close-minded prick, and you always will be. Yeah, you listen to your generic music and forcing yourself to ironicly listen to bad music, forever. You fucking do that.

  42. This is probably the most ‘edgy’ thing I’ve ever read in my life. A swear every other fucking word, like you’re trying to fucking stay relevant. Holy fuck, this shit is so terrible fuck fuck fuck. There, does this make my fucking point more valid?

  43. Lmao this is just u being old and not music being bad

  44. Haha, you fucking twat. “Today’s music is made by machines, hurr durr that means it’s bad because it’s new!”

    You have no idea what your saying, you literally just wrote this article for the approval of others.

    First of all – they’re not called machines, they’re called sunthesizers. It takes a lot of time, skill and patience to learn how to use them properly, amd even more so to learn how to use it in music. Much harder than strumming the guitar or hitting some drums IMO (I still listen to rock, not bashing it, just makong a point.)

    Do you even know what FM synthesis is? Shit’s complicated, dude. Too complicated for your tiny mind to handle, that is for sure.

    No, fuck it, I bet you don’t even know how SAMPLING works! You just think that producers press a button and bammo, music is made.

    Why don’t you sit yourself down, go on youtube, and look up some edm tutorials. Then, download the FL_Studio or Ableton Live demos, torrent the vsts for all I care, and try to make your OWN music. Only after you make an amazing banger up to the quality of Skrillex himself, will I even begin to take anything you said here to heart. (SPOILER: You can’t, and I won’t.)

    Retard.

    • HA HA your the twat you a**hole, I’m fourteen and I agree with this dude, so shut up and go sulk in your corner with your stupid Whiny ass “gang pals” listening the the ear shit known as rap

  45. Hahaha this is the most pretentious thing I have ever read in my life. There is so much music available right now; listening to a few pop songs and making a blanket statement about an entire generation is completely ludicrous. (Not to mention, dubstep is some low hanging fruit, no one I know actually listens to that shit.) Also, just because you’re older than me, doesn’t mean your opinion is greater than mine: learn the definition of an opinion, you neckbeard. Fuck you.

  46. Gone are the days of medeival lute music; woe is me

    • Thine English is of mine dearest friend, but many a song of times past are gone now, and I doth feel with mine heart what thou sayest’ be utterly true…

  47. Hahaha this is the most pretentious thing I have ever read in my life. There is so much music available right now; listening to a few pop songs and making a blanket statement about an entire generation is completely ludicrous. (Not to mention, dubstep is some low hanging fruit, no one I know actually listens to that shit.) Also, just because you’re older than me, doesn’t mean your opinion is greater than mine: learn the definition of an opinion, you neck-beard. Fuck you

  48. Lot’s of horrible horrible stuff out there, so he’s not necessarily wrong in that regard (subjective of course), but his point system is pretty easy destroyed.

    Basing my comments on his trashing of current electronic music, most of which I personally dislike.

    REAL MUSIC DEFINED BY NOLAN DALLA:

    (1) Real music is created by humans, not by a machine or a computer.

    ~ Not the definition of music. Also the music he is against probably has little that is truly computer generated. It might suck, but it’s definitely made by humans.

    (2) Real music has structure and consistency.

    ~ It can be incredibly structured, and take a lot more time working out the parts than more mundane forms of music.

    (3) Real music elicits real emotions — of love, loss, anger, fear, happiness, hope, inspiration, or anything related to the gambit of being human.

    ~ Check. He’s pretty angry!

    (4) Real music requires talent.

    ~ Is some guy strumming some cowboy chords more talented than Aphex Twin? Yeah you can make incredibly stupid simple electronic music with a minimal of understanding, or you could be a professional film composer/arranger. Really learning to use some of the software/hardware involved is incredibly daunting.

    (5) Real music requires instruments and/or voices.

    ~ Synthesizers are instruments, and plenty of “real” instruments/voices get used, even if they are sampled.

    (6) Real music should be cross generational.

    ~ This is dumb. Anyway people from all demographics listen to all varieties of music.

    (7) Real music shouldn’t need gadgets or special effects to be enjoyed.

    ~ Not sure what exactly he’s referring to here. If he’s talking about electronic FX then he might as well only be listening to acoustic music performed live without any amplification. Good luck.

    • > ~ Not sure what exactly he’s referring to here.

      I could be wrong, but I think he’s talking about laser effects and the likes during live shows.

    • 120% P. Glass You did it. I admire you. I wrote my comment trashing Nolan only just recently and here you are stating stuff I just ended up reiterating. I made some pretty good points of my own if I do say so myself. You should check my comment out. It’s way at the bottom of this thread.

      I hope Nolan has had a change of heart after 2 years since writing this article

  49. You are an irrelevant old fart who type like a 15-year old throwing a hissy fit. Listen, you idiot, music has ALWAYS been made with machinery and tools. Musical organs do not grow on music trees whether you believe it or not. It is so obvious that you know fuck-all about music.

  50. Is it so wrong for people to enjoy many different genres of music? Sure, I love opera and an awesome concerto just as much as the next guy. However, I also love rap, country, techno, alternative, whatever have you. Music shouldn’t always have a scale as to measure what is or isn’t music. Sure, you do have your traditional garbage like Kesha or Justin Beiber or dubstep, but that’s MY OPINION. I would never say, “If you listen to Justin Beiber and Kesha, you have no idea what real music is”. That’s just rude. If they like the way it sounds, then it’s music to them. My advanced music theory professor is exactly like you; he despises everything that wasn’t composed in the 18th century… I will say, that the musical examples that you’ve given, in my opinion, are examples of music in it’s purest, richest form. However, I’m a musician myself, and if I didn’t play classical music, I, most likely, would not enjoy it that much. To be frank, not everyone has an hear for music, per say, but rather an hear for what they like. Sure, that may bother me a little bit as well. However, addressing the younger generation in the manner that you’re doing it isn’t really helping.

    To say that you’re an elder, and because of that mere fact, your opinion “demands” respect – no, it doesn’t. Sure you’re older than me, so I might be a little more inclined to listen to what you’ve got to say, but at the same time, who would wan’t to continue a conversation with you when you open with, “Listen, you stupid sons of bitches”? I don’t care how old you are, or how much younger I am than you; being extremely abrasive and overbearing with your opinions is not the way to get people (people, as in the younger generation) to think more deeply about music and musical concepts. But what do I know? I’m 20 years old, so I suppose that makes me, hmm… how did you put it? Oh, right: a “little prick”.

  51. Nolan Dalla, I agree with every word that you say here, but I want you to know that not all people under 25 are doomed to this fate. I am under 25 and I have an appreciation for music. I don’t listen to this Nicki Minaj crap, I listen to real music like Green Day and Billy Joel, U2, Midnight Oil, Powder Finger, Red Hot Chilli Peppers, etc. Pretty much rock and roll bands that haven’t been synthesized to death. I know how irritating it can be to have some teenager badmouth your music and say that there techno rubbish is better. Personally, I think that “musicians” (if you can call them that) nowadays should not be called by their name, but rather by the model number of the synthesizer and the mixing desk because realistically, they do more work than the singers. To sum this up, not all hope is lost for our generation. There are still people out there who listen to real music, and one day, this poor excuse of sound will be eradicated.

  52. this is the funniest article i’ve ever read because it sucks so much

  53. No one invites you to parties huh?

  54. Nolan,
    Your opinions are shit and lack passion. Your opinions are supposed to have emotion to them. You can’t convey emotion over a keyboard. As far as I know your opinion is processed through a computer and therefore shit.

    On a non sarcastic note orchestral composers technically don’t have to play an instrument either. All they have to is write it down. Also the vast majority of electronic producers know how to play instruments are are sometimes even virtuosos (Such as Zedd). If you think you’re able to make electronic music without at least some knowledge of music theory then you’re full of shit. I’ll be glad to have a serious discussion on the topic if you want to email me or i’ll even talk on the phone if you want my number. Send me an email if you’re up to it and so sure of your opinion.

    • My email is: -deleted-by-webmaster- by the way.

  55. tl;dr but wow this guy is a real down to Earth idiot.

    People don’t get much dumber than this old piece of trash who amazes me with the ability to work “the internet” in his advances old-as-dirt age. You can really see the dementia kicking in. Hopefully this worthless, old, shitty piece of trash kicks the bucket soon. He not good for anything and he’s just soaking up natural resources.

    Please die soon.

  56. Please for the love of god get an editor/proof read your writing before you publish an article. The amount of fragments in this article is appalling and really detracts from your already ridiculous and unfounded argument.

  57. I KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!1 STOOPIT FUCIKING SAWGFAGS LITSENIGN 2 JUSTEEN FAGBER AND KANYE GAYFUSHDICKS SOMETIMES I WNAT TO BRUTALLIE MURDER STOPID SWGFAG KIDS FOR LISTENIGN TO GARBGE I WANT TO KILL THIS GENERATIN WIT A ASALT RIFEL

  58. Your opinion is shit Nolan. Could give a fuck if you are my elder. You are also a dumb-ass. My elders also created atonal modern classical music, and that was much more rubbish than the music you have so much contempt for. People like you should go to hell immediately.

  59. The amount of people that respond to their ego personally being attacked for listening to the music he is venting about is hilarious! The sad thing is, the majority of music is a highly commercialized, sex sold commodity that is ran off the presses like barbie dolls. The industry has been taken over by individuals who are more interested in making money than putting out a quality product. When a certain style becomes popular, all the writers in the business that write the music for their puppets to sing get together and copy off one another till they have another single to push out. It’s the same with everything. Really, why do you need an iPhone 6? Then a 7? Then an 8? What is there about this product that makes you thing you need it? .. other than the hype created around it and the feelings of “how cool am I” to have the latest gimmick. Back to music, while the industry pimps out the latest style, underground artists continue to struggle, people who actually do write their own music and create something in an original sense without trying to be the next Katy Perry or Lady Gaga. Executives now think they are the stars, and the labels will continue to perpetuate the most mediocre, soulless music possible as long as it sells. And sex will continue to sell. What’s the meaning in a line? It’s a trend. All the kids will eat it up if it’s packaged properly. Steal a sound and imitate uniform and equally. Just the facts of where our world is nowadays. An idea is what we lack. Better to ignore it than be so angry about it. The more attention you give, the more exposure you give, and he who angers you conquers you. Peace (used as an interjection).

  60. G D Em C that is every song today maybe in different key. When I come around .
    I’m on top of the world.
    Amnesia
    Etc.
    Todays music isnt shit its just the same exact thing to dumbdown youth of today. 5 minute songwriters who dont suffer for there art. at a piano for days. It has no meaning no substance no soul. Very little thought input. We live in such an artificial age. Where thinking is discouraged and sheep mentality is widespread. Dont just hate this post like a 2 year old actually think about what im saying. You dont have to agree but just think about it.

    • 5 minute songwriters? If it takes five fucking minutes then go ahead and make a song like that. I don’t care if you don’t like it, you can endure it for 5 minutes right? Oh wait, you can’t. Very little thought? Again do it, if it requires so little thought and is done in FIVE minutes, then you should be able to do your taxes while you’re at it! Oh, there’s that word. “hate” The way people (including yourself) use this word is fucking stupid. Fuck that word. All it is is an excuse for people who can’t handle their inflated ego being popped and sent back to reality.

      And before you call me any names because you cannot refute the fact that people have opinions, remember this.

      You are NOT a special snowflake because you like a certain type of music. Disliking a certain type of music is fine, but when you say it involves no thinking or effort, that’s just fucking lunacy.

      • Four f-bombs in three paragraphs: a new personal best. Or maybe not.

  61. What a bitch, but sorry luciano sucks.

  62. rap is for fucking morons, rap is for those without ANY talent whatsoever, rap is fucking crap, rap is shit on toast, rap is NOT NOT NOT NOT MUSIC…learn an instrument RAP FUCKFACE MORONS – THEN GET SOME MUSICALK TALENT…RAP IS THE SEWER shit of all music…the “musical” excrement out of the asshole of those who think RAP is the balls….IT FUCKING SUCKS IT FUCKING SUCKS

    • Golem, the way you sound in this comment, you might as well be supporting Nolan Dalla. We’re defending all forms of music.

    • If you don’t think it’s music, it’s definitely poetry. Try reading the lyrics to a rap song yourself. I’ve seen raps that are trash. And I’ve seen raps that are so clever I have to take a moment to enjoy it.

  63. If you don’t like it, don’t fucking listen to it. I’m an electronic music producer/Dj who gets his inspiration from all kinds of genres. Don’t be closed minded sir. There’s more to it than dubstep, which is in fact awesome as fuck.

  64. This is probably one of the worst “articles” I’ve read. There is no such thing as “real” music. Just because it is produced electronically doesn’t mean that it’s not real music.

    It never fails to amuse me how close minded people are when it comes to music. Why not try to explore this huge world of music listen of thinking that the music that you like is “superior”.

    Today’s music doesn’t suck, there’s lots of good music out there. Just because it doesn’t fit into YOUR standards of “good” music doesn’t mean that this music is not there. It is. Get off your ass and look for it instead of relying on the mainstream media to feed this music to you.

  65. This is one of the dumbest and most juvenile things I’ve read in recent memory, ironically.
    It’s not that anybody who claims that the music scene used to be better is automatically nullified, it’s just that virtually everybody who believes this is either dumb as bricks and has no critical thinking skills or is a pseudo-intellectual and wants to look profound.

    >You show me a machine or a computer program that can match the stellar majesty of Luciano Pavarotti’s singing “Nessun Dorma,” and I’ll acknowledge it as music.
    Computers do not create the music, sir. People create the music and computers are a catalyst. Writing a book in Microsoft Word versus with a pencil and paper doesn’t make the creative process any different.

    I really don’t feel like pointing out how dumb everything else in this article was. I know that’s not an argument, but it’s taxing just to think about.

    I find that people who jump on the opportunity to go on diatribe about young people are usually very immature themselves, and it really stands to reason here. I’d expect this kind of substance from a 12 year old who listened to Queen for the first time and jumps on the opportunity to show everyone how profound and cultured they are.

  66. I’m 24 and listen to Progressive Metal. If I ever saw you I’d kick your fucking ass you stupid faggot.

  67. This just in: Old Man Yells At Cloud

  68. I’m 15, I listen to 50’s through 70’s Rock, and I enjoy a little bit of 80’s and 90’s (Van Halen, Guns n’ Roses, Green day, Etc) and I agree, that most modern-day music is trash, not just rap, and dubstep, but modern rock has gone to shit, but recently there have been bands I don’t despise appearing, I have a feeling Rock is rising again, the new Rolling Stone’s tour, and the releases of albums from pink floyd, and AC/DC only make me believe that it is more likely for a rock revival, some examples of one of these new bands that doesn’t suck ass would be, The Vaccines, Superfood, And Blur (I know they are from the 90’s but they recently got back together)

    • Has anyone ever told you how special and precious you are? You, and you alone, are the only ( that’s right, ONLY) child to EVER enjoy music before his or her time. The ONLY one. How does it feel to be such a special little snowflake? Me and the rest of the folks back home all agree that you are truly an inspiration to us all. Hopefully, one day, I will also train myself to not listen to classless rap, dubstep, and modern rock. It’s been a rigorous process thus far, because I guess some people see different things in different art, but soon, I will be just like you, because you are very cool and not at all annoying.

  69. I’m 50 and you’re dead wrong. There’s a lot of good music out there. In fact there’s an explosion of music and you can here more variety than at any time in my life that I can remember. The problem is weeding through all the crap to find the quality. As always stay away from the ‘pop’ music of any genre-it has always and will always suck.

    -oh and the worst fucking music known to mankind is goddamned modern country. “you can take a ride on my green green tractor” shit. You ever here that? Fuck that and all of the cowboy hat wearing motherfuckers that listen to it. LIFELESS FUCKING STOOOPID GARBAGE!

  70. Yeah, the writer clearly has no knowledge of the complexity and designs that go into electronic or – furthermore – music in general. If you consider yourself a fan of music, or an interested party in the music industry, you will know several fundamental things:

    Just like your voice is some sort of a vessel for transmission of noise, computers are an instrument. If you deny that, you have a fucking problem. OP here, should consult with something fundamental: the argument pyramid.

    No matter what age you are, it appears that people believe just because they have a couple extra cycles of surviving 365 days attached to their shitty cell membranes, they are entitled to have their opinion be right. Opinion is great, so is perspective. If you don’t like the muse that electronic music or other genres bring, so be it, but going out of your way to insult the culture and intrigue that follows such a decent genre — you’re out of your mind.

    The fact is, OP here couldn’t even compete with a modern, millennial 15 year old save his fucking life (I would be more than glad to provide proof of this.) He clearly is incapable of writing any logical content with proof, results to name-calling and ad hominem and purely proves that just about any moron can become a “writer” if they have ten dollars, a shitty wordpress template and some money left over to take shitty photographs of themselves in their “office” — framed, of course, with only the most cheapass of wines and pre-2010s Mac products.

    Excuse my tone, but you should not be writing about music, art, or creative work. This writer is a mockery of ‘creativity.’

    So, OP, the lesson here is: just because you have free speech doesn’t mean you should use it to completely put people down for their favouritism. Personally, your template looks like it was engineered shittily, but was it necessary for me to address that your taste in web design is literally something out of a SADBOYS cover art, mixed (of course) with a MSDOS template? Absolutely not, see where i’m going here?

    Have a warm day!

  71. Music is the opiate of the masses. Turn on, tune out, and meditate in silence.

  72. This one time me and the homie bach was kicking in it duh hood and the homie Mozart rolled with some of that bubonic chronic and bach was all like hells yeah mah dood but the homie mozart said nah this is mine and we beat his ass but the POlice rolled up real quick and we had to dip ass foo and i think i dropped some of that good ass kush so if you see my precious mary jane anywhere hit me up bruthas

  73. I can sympathize with the author. Modern pop is pure shit. Whose bright idea was it to merge Country and R&B ?? it sounds like SHIT , Merle Haggard is Country , not the shit being passed off today. R&B and hip hop or whatever , same old shit different day , same shallow subject matter ( no wonder so many Blacks are single parent “families” these days , y’all better get your shit together or your future is bleak , indeed… Lady Gaga , you suck. Rihanna or however she spells her name , you suck , Bruno Mars , you are another talentless hack, you cant sing , you cant play instruments , you are not a musician and your fans are brainless shitheels that probably have zero sense of situational awareness.
    Oh yea , and the Beatles suck too , fuck the Beatles.
    I’m so proud not to be a member of your stupid society of sheep. Remember this you fucktards.. what we do is secret.

  74. Nolan i would like to buy you a drink because i am about to set you straight you see music as an art….and it is an art,not just some syllogism for you generational pompousness. Music is evolving and is reflective of the world around you. Music is shaped by the youth, the governments, the media , including this delivery mechanism for your rant, and the technology available for its development. While it is true electronic music is not “pen to stave” musically sound the fundamentals are there and in alot of ways of a higher evolution. Melody, Harmony, Rhythm, all there, but the most important part of all meaning, is prominent, even if your old ass cannot appreciate it. So in parting I will extend with all due respect and kindness the same generational expression you extended to your parents when they bitched to you about johnny cash. FUCK YOU. thank you and have a good day.

    reality

  75. Like many things in the modern age popular music is soulless, uninspired, dull and boring.

  76. Good lord, you are literally a child. Demanding respect whilst having done nothing to command it. Have you ever even created a single piece of music in your life? In all of your stagnate classicism have you ever actually given another genre a chance without immediately dismissing it because of apples-and-oranges fallacy?
    How about a new title for this article, Closed Mindedness Breeds Musical Illiteracy.
    Because that’s what you are, musically illiterate.

  77. I for one welcome our Robot Overlords!

  78. This might be surprising to some of you. I used to work with teenagers about two or three years ago, and found that a lot of them even agreed that most of today’s pop music sucks. They were into older music, like from the 80s and 90s, and even went as far back as the 60s and 70s. You’d be surprised to find that many teens today love the Beatles, who were big 50 years ago! I’ve also met people in their 20s who also love the classic stuff. When today’s teens and college kids even agree that today’s popular music sucks, I think that’s a good sign that popular music really has gone downhill in quality. Nolan isn’t just being an “old man” who is complaining about “kids these days.” And while it’s true that there is great music being made out there today, I think most of us can agree that today’s POP music is pretty awful. And remember what I wrote earlier, today’s younger generations even agree. The people calling Nolan an “old man” seem to think that today’s younger generations only listen to or know about today’s pop music, and think all older music must automatically suck because it’s “old.” Heck, even when I was a teenager in the late 90s I also thought my generation’s music was horrible, and I got into music from the 60s, 70s and 80s. There were many others like me as well. The part that I disagree with Nolan on is that he also seems to assume all young people only listen to today’s popular music. If you go out and meet many of today’s young people, I’m sure you’ll find that many of them despise much of today’s popular music, and are into the older stuff. I think the internet and YouTube have helped play major roles in that.

    • There is current music other than pop, you know. It’s called indie and alternative.

  79. Funniest rant I’ve read in a long time! And relevant too.

    I just turned 26 and have realized my contempt for EDM and dubstep after listening to these genres for 2 years straight.

    The first realization was last year when I was listening to SKRILLEX on Pandora: An Ellie Goulding song came on and I didn’t change it immediately.

    What the fuck???

    That’s when I knew I had slipped into the EDM rabbit hole.

    Safe to say I have come back to reality. I know many of you are especially offended by the article, but it’s fucking true. You just don’t want to hear it.

    I am sick of most electronic music. I miss the humanity and subtleties in music. Dynamics are nice too. I miss those.

    Here’s the thing:

    This EDM bubble is going to burst. It’s just going to. It’s expanded too quickly and the quality has gone downhill.

    What will people want to listen to after the bubble has burst? Real music. And I’m currently producing real music. I’ve abandoned the digital synths and VSTs and went to a real recording studio with real instruments. I’m talking about a Rhodes piano, 70s Ludwig kit, Wurlitzer, tube amps, etc.

    If you want to listen to some before and after transformations to my sound, message me and I’ll gladly share it with you.

    I thought this article was hilarious and understand the butthurt that people are feeling. But the musical path will correct itself as it always has and produce inspiring music again.

    • With all due respect, I don’t understand what you are getting at. Who are we to say what real music is?

      What are real instruments, anyway? where do you draw the line? Are those real instruments? (This picture is from the ’70s.) But, they were used to make electronic music, weren’t they?

  80. Got a light? damn , I think i’m in love – Google Mort Weiss

    • Nolan Replies:

      Honored to meet your acquaintance, Mort.

      — Nolan

  81. Reading this shitty article was a complete waste of my time. Pull the stick out of your ass & kill yourself. You just sound like a stereotypical bitchy old guy. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And your opinion has no impact or importance so have fun with your boring opera shit that fucking sucks.

    • Nolan Replies:

      “Reading this shitty article was a complete waste of my time.”

      Thanks for being the 327th person to comment about it.

      — Nolan

      • Old people yelling at gay clouds. Never gets old. Pun intended.

        Off my lawn you dumb kids with your tweed pipes and your hippity hop and your saggy pants!!! I’m 37. I hope when I am your age I am not such a close minded twat. Many if I was like you and everyone else and thought all good music stopped when I personally graduated high school I would miss out on so much joy in life. Maybe that’s your problem.

  82. I agree with you, you cynical, ornery, old fart.

  83. Look out everyone! We’ve got a speshul snowflake here!

  84. >Links us to a shitty 3 minute pop song

    yeah a lot of pop music today sucks, but so did most pop from every other generation.
    It is boring repetitive crap that was designed to make money. Music today is at an all time high because people who are trying to do things that are creative can get their music out there with out a record label.
    Your music is no better that top 40 today.

    But anyway, I have just one question for you to try and make you think; how is it any different if a composer writes a piece of music to be played by an orchestra or to be played by a computer. Either way the person who made the music is not actually playing the music, and the effort involved would not change at all.

    • Exactly. I get so sick of hearing how great music was in the 60s. Yeah the stuff everyone pretends they listened to back then was good, but look at the pop charts for the entire decade. 1% good songs, 99% crap that Katy Perry would reject for being to sappy. But now everyone from that generation pretends like all they listened to was Hendrix and the Who and the Stones in the 60s when they didn’t. You know how I know? Cause the stuff that was selling millions of records was not those bands. You were all listening to fucking Mark Dinning and the god damned Shirelles and the Marvelettes, whoever the fuck that is. Pop music sucks every generation. Quit rewriting history and acting like the 60s was all Hendrix and the 13th Floor Elevators because it abso-fucking-lutely was not

      • Nolan Replies:

        At least they weren’t using the fucking fraud abomination called AUTOTUNE in the ’60’s. They had to actually fucking SING and PLAY INSTRUMENTS. Might take a few lessons and try that, instead of letting some bullshit punk with a software program make music for you. Try getting some TALENT before popping off with canned ignorance.

        — ND

  85. You’re literally cancer.

  86. What a shitty, nonsensical article.

    FUCK YOU

  87. You’re fucking retarded, OP. If you’re incapable of finding good new music, that’s your problem. I’m gonna go listen to some Nujabes while you and the retards who actually think you’re right bitch and whine about shit you don’t even understand.

  88. This is the most bullshit I’ve ever read. You’ve actually gone out of your way to make an article on your supposedly superior tastes in music.

  89. Oldmanyellsatcloud.jpg

  90. We live in literally the greatest era for music as a consumer and all you can talk about is music you don’t like? What a sad way to view music. No one is forcing you to listen to the music you don’t like. And there is plenty of good music out there that fits your asinine criteria for “real music”. Stop being lazy and find it.

    • You are wrong. I am forced to endure intrusive dumb vulgar rap, hip hop, urban diva RnB drivel crap every bloody time I visit a restaurant, eatery, pub, coffee bar, clothes shop, bus and train journey’s spoiled by selfish arseholes listening to this racket on loud headphones oblivious to the rest of the world. Inconsiderate neighbours who play this shit all-day. Now even financial institutions like bank’s are at it queuing to pay in a check while some putrid diva bitch wails away in the background. Every passing vehicle has this vile odious noise emanating from it being played at ear-splitting levels. Let’s not forget the television and radio where this soul destroying garbage is now virtually inescapable. A man can’t even take a leak these days without hearing Rihanna or Beyonce in the cubicle with him. This mental pollution is everywhere and has no sign of abating.

  91. This article was true then and it’s even more true now. I’m 35 ( or at least I was 3 years ago) and I can’t ducking stand hat EDM horse shit. That noise makes me want to murder people. It’s fucking tortoure

  92. I hope your family dies in front of you and your children endlessly tortured slowly until they die of pain

  93. I concur very much, Nolan! I can’t believe how popular this rap “music” (if it can even be called that) that these chimps produce is in our country! I weep for what these criminals are doing to our youth.

  94. Too offensive, making yourself as a dumbass even you are not.
    Try Japanese music, I do agree with you that modern American music like rap or hip hop are garbage.

  95. I found this article after googling the question “why do people who listen to rap think everyone else in the world needs to hear it too?”

    Surprisingly little on point came back. Not that I was expecting to find an answer to the question; I just hoped to find a discussion that I assumed would have huge numbers of replies.

    Anyway, after reading the OP’s rant (I don’t use the term perjoratively) and most of the replies I began to wonder if the whole point of his extremely obvious trolling was to demonstrate that the people who listen to the… stuff he derides are pretty much a bunch of morons.

    Oh, a few made the predictable “I agree but not all of it is crap, what about artists X, Y and Z…” posts. But most just did exactly what he knew they would:

    Insult him

    Point out that people’s taste in “music” is subjective

    Provide lists of artists they thought produced stuff that deserved to be called music

    Ridicule the previous poster’s list of quality bands

    And point out that older generations always thought younger generations’ art was crap. Since YOUR father thought YOUR music was crap, anything your SON listens to must be as worthy to be called music as what YOU listened to.

    On one hand, I agree with some of his opinion. For instance, a few years ago during the furor over ‘piss christ’ and government subsidies for artists (and ‘artists’), I developed the identical minimal qualification for something to be called art in my opinion: It must require talent to produce. In this case, musical talent. Not talent for using a sampling program, or talent for programming a drum machine or or a computer.

    Having said that, I really couldn’t care less what a bunch of kids who were allowed to graduate middle school without being able to spell at a fourth grade level deem worthy to listen to, except that society will be required to pay for hearing aids for them all when they reach forty or so. You go right ahead believing that you’re being intellectually stimulated listening to ‘your music.’ No problem.

    What I object to is HAVING TO LISTEN TO IT AS WELL.

    Nobody has a clue what I listen to in my home or my car that doesn’t know me because I turn it up loud enough that I CAN HEAR IT! I don’t even use headphones. As much as I think everyone would benefit by listening to the last movement of Tschaikovsky’s fourth, I realize that very few people around me share my musical tastes. If I turned it up as loud as my neighbors turn up their… stuff I would literally be sickened by the acoustical pressure as well as embarrassment for subjecting the entire neighborhood to my will.

    As far as I’m concerned, cops should be enforcing the noise ordinances we already have on the books, and the punishment for convictions should be similar to the OP’s description of the treatment given enemy combatants, only the violator should be forced to listen to a variety of music like classical, country, mantovani and whatever else the judge deems would be likely to make the offender miserable. Forcing the kind of arrogant jerk that listens to their car stereo (what the hell am I saying? they aren’t listening to it, they’re just using it as a way to flip off everyone around them) at ludicrously high volume to listen to rap or that screaming grunge stuff wouldn’t be punishment at all. They already do it by choice.

    To end in the OP’s style, listen to whatever the hell you want, just turn it WAY the fuck down. Maybe when you’re 60 you might want to have the ability to hear it.

    • I wave a problem with this part.” It must require talent to produce. In this case, musical talent. Not talent for using a sampling program, or talent for programming a drum machine or or a computer.” Did you know that some of the most prominent composers music were once seen as absurd and obnoxious? You probably didn’t my point is that artist like Xilent,Virtual Riot,Deadmau5,Seeamlessr show people like you that its not just pressing a button and pop goes a song. Watch all of Seamlessr’s track from scratch and I bet it will open up your eyes to what it really takes to produce electronic music.

      • As you can see, my comment is a little off point for this anti-new music rant. I said I agree with SOME of his points. As a kid I was very into Walter/Wendy Carlos, Tomita and the like. Classical music performed on electronic instruments. I even dabbled a bit with transcribing music into early personal computer synthesizer programs. I can play some brass instruments a bit, but I never could play keyboards, so I was cheating by putting 2- and 3- part inventions into my computer. Was it art? Like a 1st grader’s crayon art you put on the fridge, yeah. But it wasn’t even really my own work, it was Bach’s art, I was just aping a keyboardist performing it.

        As I said, I hear bits of rap, grunge or Mexican folk music all the time because other people are forcing it on me by playing it waaaaaaaaay too loud, most likely for the intentional or perhaps unconscious reason that they love to flip everyone around them off. If someone wants to define vulgar rhymes pretty much all saying the same thing set to automatic ‘beats’ as music, fine. To me it’s the same as saying dipping an animal’s feet in paint and letting them walk on a canvas is art. Or putting a crucifix in a jar of urine is art. None of these things requires artistic talent in my opinion. Tangerine Dream absolutely does.

        I didn’t post to agree that all current music is crap, only that an awful lot of it sounds like purposely offensive crap to a large segment of the population, including me. As I and others have pointed out, the different generations always think the other generation’s music is crap; that’s a given. The newer generation has to like stuff that the older generation doesn’t just to establish their independence from the older generation. Having said that, just because the older generation doesn’t like your music, does that prove that your music ISN’T crap?

        Do a thought experiment. Can you imagine ANY collection of sounds arranged in such a way that the general consensus would be that the collection of sounds does not qualify for the term ‘music?’

        If not, you are entitled to say rap or Nickelback screaming unintelligbly in your ear is music. (Just cheap shot examples; don’t bother to say so-and-so rap artist is really great, I get it.)

        If you believe that there could exist some arrangement of sounds that is so heinously dissonant and offensive to a reasonable person’s ear that it can’t realistically be classified as music, then you admit the possibility that some of what comes blasting out at you from the car approaching you 2 blocks away shouldn’t be called music, just as if I scribbled randomly with a black crayon on a piece of paper does not deserve the term ‘art.’

        And really, you all have to understand that the OP has actually heard what opinions are like; everybody has them. I really doubt that he believes every piece of music produced electronically is garbage. Personally I could do without the vast majority of opera myself. Just the overture for me, please. But I don’t see any rational person claiming that opera isn’t music; only that it’s a form of music they don’t care for. I don’t think the same can be said for a lot of the ‘music’ the OP is decrying.

  96. The writer of this article is an ignorant moron who thinks he knows much more about contemporary music than he does. I’m 43 now and been listening to electronic music since I was 19, so let me set you straight.

    You site Luciano Pavoratti as an example of why today’s music sucks? Kiss my ass! Anyone in touch with the 21st century is not going to find a whole hell of a lot to connect with opera. It’s a dead art form usually listened to by yuppies and other obnoxious smug types. You say machine made music sucks. Have you ever listened to one of its pioneers: Kraftwerk? How about some of the avante-garde electronic music? Do you even know what real techno is? I’m not talking about today’s shitty EDM or pop, I’m talking about real electronic music that’s still going strong 30 years on.

    Most importantly, real music doesn’t require any of the shit you mentioned above. There doesn’t need to be any rules to music you stiff conservative cvnt! Get off your imaginary high horse.

    • Frankie Knuckles of Chicago house or just House I love your reply to this post

  97. Real Music is no different than Real Art, its on the same level as spoken word. What are you saying? is what matters.

    The author of this page is just straight up disgruntled and sad.

    Beauty > Art

  98. According to this article, people who draw and design using technological mediums don’t have a single ounce of artistic vision and talent. Apparently computers do everything. I can just open MS Paint and BOOM I just drew Mona fucking Lisa. Alongside this, Electronic music comes in a multitude of varieties and requires use of music theory, proper arrangements, and can even feature vocals and live instrumentation. Electronic music is also perfectly capable of eliciting emotion and making a connection with the listener. I know this first hand. This article is incredibly close minded and this author seems to be under the assumption that even art is automated nowadays, news flash: humans USE the computer to create and produce the music. They don’t just open Ableton live or Logic and watch as it falls into place. I hate seeing hate filled products of ignorance such as this article. If anything, this new era of music offers more possibilities for creativity and human design than any time period before it. You just have to look in the right places.

    • where are some good right places. bored with evthing I know already~ with EDM or any form of electronic music I know the early greats of the ambient world etc… but nothing new to feed me. Thanks in advance.

  99. Im 21 and I listen to punk music, not hipster shit like Fun and Imagine Dragons. I like Screeching Weasel and my little brother likes Pink Floyd, he’s 18 but he’s been listening to them since he was 16 I think. Not everyone one young listens to the shit on the radio.

  100. Wow, you’re a very very angry person by the sounds of your blog here.. Maybe you’re just old? I’m not saying I like the music either but you spewing insults and shit all over young people isn’t going to change anything. If anything, you are the one who has some growing up to do…

  101. I wish I had come across this article when it was written. First, let me just clarify that I am under that age you described, and I cannot agree more that the drug-fuelled electronic music is complete and utter shit. I hate it more than political correctness, which is saying a lot. Second, your opinion means absolutely nothing to me. Take a step down off that high horse you ride around on, unplug your walkman, and re-read this article. Do the vast majority of young people listen to pathetic music? Yes, absolutely, but don’t group myself and others into that majority. Good music is still made. Ty Segall, Wavves, The Black Keys, Tame Impala, Bass Drum of Death, Sticky Fingers just to name a few. My point is, just because you’re old as fuck and need to vent does not mean you are above the rest of us and can distance yourself from the shit music and act as though you know better. We all have to deal with this garbage.

  102. REAL MUSIC DEFINED BY NOLAN DALLA:

    (1) R&B and Hip-Hop is created by humans, not by a machine or a computer.

    (2) R&B and Hip-Hop has structure and consistency.

    (3) R&B and Hip-Hop elicits real emotions — of love, loss, anger, fear, happiness, hope, inspiration, or anything related to the gambit of being human.

    (4) R&B and Hip-Hop requires talent.

    (5) R&B and Hip-Hop requires instruments and/or voices.

    (6) R&B and Hip-Hop are cross generational.

    (7) Shouldn’t need gadgets or special effects can be used to improve the music

    (8) You are uptight old man who always stuck in the past. have fun fuckin with your ancient music catalogue

    • (7) gadgets or special effects can be used to improve the music

    • From what I’ve seen, a lot of hip-hop and rap makes use of computers (DAWs). Not that it’s a bad thing, I’m just saying 😛

  103. No thanks I’ll keep with my dubstep and electronic music. I don’t care If It doesn’t require extraordinary talent. Music Is music no matter what It Is created by. And you will find that modern machines can accomplish feats almost impossible by man. Have fun you your 123AD music catalog that you will have to wait 200 century’s just to get a new song. My music is 10/10. Your music Is dreck. And you are an inferior piece of old trash.

    -Asperixo

    • Nolan Replies: Once again, I seem to have hit a nerve.

      Signed,

      — An Inferior Piece of Old Trash

      • Not like you were angry with writing your article or anything.

        • Holy fucking shit, I can’t believe I was that stupid just three years ago.

          Nothing much has changed, I’m still a moron.

          Can we forget this ever happened?

      • Keep it up you are destroying the arguments of these corporate youth drones. They think they are being original but are so mind controlled by an agenda that was started before they were even born. It is hard to be mad at them for their foolishness. I knew the young ones were in trouble, I was in the transitional generation that could still see clearly before the darkness came in the 90’s. I have tried to keep an open mind and listen to all the musical suggestions of the brain dead here. All of those bands sucked so bad they did not even get past 4 seconds!

        PUT YOUR HANDS UP IN THE AIR AND STEP AWAY FROM THE DJ TURTABLE AND ABELTON LIVE SIR!

        Yea you little abelton junkies im talking to you!. You know DAMN WELL that you are not content creators. You are taking someone elses creations and making a collage out of someone elses art. Cutting and pasting GRAPHICAL BLOCKS that represent other people’s music and then calling it your own. Back in the day me and my MUSICAN friends joked that something like this might happen in the future. TO OUR HOROR THE JOKES WE HAD BACK THEN ACTUALLY CAME TRUE!

  104. You are a fucking idiot, old man. Keepn on living in your dreamworld of absolute paranoia, you fucking failure. And keep forgetting that you’re the one to blame for the negative aspects of this generation. Your views, your voting, your desires, your choices. Eveyrthing. You have destryoed this generation and you’ve been unable to teach the young people of what is good music and what is not.

    Meanwhile, I’ll be listening to the smarter and more talented young musicians of my generation while you”ll be jerking off to a Beatles album.

  105. You’re suffering from a mental disorder. You’re not nostalgic, grumpy grandpa. That’s the most proper explaination I’ve found for your exceptionally narrow-minded views. By the way, this new generation has smarter and more talented people than the shipwrecks of your decade. The only difference is that they stay underground.

  106. You know what Nolan is? He’s the prototypical “the music of my generation is better than yours” arrogant jerk. I find that view incredibly elitist and closed minded. While I do agree that modern pop and dance music is mindless crap (it takes five people to write a 3 minute song with one 4 word verse and a 3 word chorus that repeats 100 times), there is plenty of enjoyable music from virtually every genre. From Jazz to Classical, to pop, to heavy metal, to blues and everything in between. Unfortunately, you will never experience that.

    • This is ridiculous. Seriously.
      I get it that you’re an elder, and I get it that you have seen much more than the younger generation, and that we should respect you. But I can’t respect a elder when he thinks it’s fucking cool to swear at a younger ‘immature’ audience and tell them straight up that everything they know of is garbage and they are stupid imbecile. Respect doesn’t go to someone like that.
      Let’s listen to the thoughts of a ignorant child.
      1) Technology did not ruin music. You’re an idiot if you really think music can be ruined that easy.
      2) While we’re on the point of technology and gadgets, be aware that that is what allows you to be complaining right now. That’s what you’re using to type your website. Technology can amplify music for more to enjoy. Technology did not ruin music, you ass. People did. They only used technology in the process, fucker.
      3) From your list of extremely ignorant reasons to hate on modern music, I’m going to calculatedly assume that you only heard of the top 10s. The top 10s are crap, shithead, I’ll give it you straight. They only get popular from commercial success.
      4) There are still good music and talented musicians nowadays. You just have a dig a little deeper. Even artists like Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus are given bad names because of what they do, and how the media portrays them. If you bother searching, you can learn that every artist, even younger ones, can be pretty talented.
      A stereotypical arrogant jerk who seems very indulgent in the whole ‘my generation is better than yours because I’m older and therefore more wise.’ If you were really wise you wouldn’t resort to using pathetic insults the younger generation are infatuated with. If you were really wise, you’ll get your head out of your ‘I’m the best in the world’ megalomaniac tendencies. Fuck you, Sir.

    • You’re generalizing “modern pop and dance music” wayyyyyyy too much and exaggerating and also being a little off topic with that lol. Thx for the rest of what you said though, which is like good

  107. Agreed, agreed, agreed.

    I am 24 years old and I agree to all the pointers made by this Nolan Character. The kids these days don’t have what it takes.

    Music should either excite, sooth, or calm your senses in a sense that has that “familiar” feeling to it.

    This Dubstep, Hip Hop and “Rap” rubbish is entirely under productive. Any idiot can imitate these pieces of junk. And not one of them will be memorable after their death.

    They’re no Behotoven that’s for sure. They don’t even dress properly. That “Skrillex” looks like a Meth-addict.

  108. you have got to be the dumbest piece of shit on the planet. who the fuck are you to say what music is good or bad? music is 100% subjective. you have no idea how much science and audio production knowledge and TALENT goes into creating electronic music. please kill yourself, it would make the world such a better place so we can continue to evolve and revolutionize sound and music.

  109. Now if you’ll just stop trying to down the happiness and relief of the world which sucks that people get when listening to deep house etc. and listen to this I’d appreciate it. EDM doesn’t suck, it is not fucking garbage as you call it. If there is no talent whatsoever (quoting you again) needed to make EDM, TRY IT YOURSELF. YOU WILL MOST PROBABLY FAIL. To even think you can call a genre trash because you yourself don’t like it, is plain ignorant. Thank you for your time.

  110. Music is music, just because you dont like a certain type of music and prefer one type doesn’t mean all other types or genres if you like are bad. I consider the stuff you listen to shit but I dont go around posting it around the net.

    Look at art, there are many types of artists out there that are recognized for artistry that a 2 year old could do with their fingers but sells for millions of dollars. Simply put stfu keep you’re opinions to yourself.

  111. 1.Plenty of music is created by machines and computers. The human creativity that runs the machines and computers is what really matters.By the way is a pianoforte a machine? Why yes it is.

    2.Some music is purposefully atonal, dissonant, or chaotic.

    3.The music that you hate must be real becasue it has elicited an emotion. In your case the emotion is hatred.

    4.Even the beginner musician or non musician has some talent or a potential for talent. It’s matters of degree like anything else, bub.

    5. Real music requires no instruments or voices; clapping hands and stomping feet are quite capable of producing music.

    6.Even what call fake music will be like by generations in the future.Isn’t it nice to know that when you’re dead someone will still be listening to that awful stuff.

    7.To a certain degree, all instruments are gadgets and special effects. Without the “gadgets” (aka instruments) all you have is the voice.

    8. Nobody cares if you dislike their music anyway. Get over yourself.

    7.

    • You’re a stupid, non-musical fuck head.

      • Great arguments there m8 10/10

  112. ALL MUSIC is good. Some JOURNALISM is really fucking bad.

    • iloveu and ur completely correct <333

  113. What a bunch of butthurt dubstep faggots in the comments. I’m 24, listen to classical, jazz, blues, classic rock, and heavy metal. Dubstep is a shit. It is a cancer to true honorable musicians everywhere. It took me 10 years to learn a guitar. It took me 1 year to learn Fruity Loops.

    • you still gave a shit tho. so dont be a hypocrite.

  114. youre garbage aswell. your dumb mind only appreciates one genre. shut your fucking ass up music is diverse and complex you cant say that dubstep aint music because it simply fucking is. dont try to be a smart ass here fuckboy.youre whats wrong with the society fuck you.

  115. Holy crap.. I actually can’t tell if this whole blog is sarcastic or not. Is this guy autistic?

  116. I agree, This modern age music is shitty, but why do I have to live with it I wish I was not born as a mellenial feeling that My generation could create such horendous music is a discrase to what our parents listened to, Sadly I am only 17 but I find that I am the only young person that thinks this, Whenever I hear this shitty music I want to rip my ears out.

  117. Is this bait? Literally everyone who is under 25’s music is garbage? What?

  118. This is hilariously ignorant.

  119. It’s not too late, you can still catch up with the world. I know it’s terrifying when you’re out of touch and nothing makes sense, but there’s always hope.

    If you just open your mind and your heart and let go of your hateful, ignorant way of looking at music, you can enjoy what the rest of us are enjoying. It’s not hard, I promise.

  120. Technically, instruments are machines as well as computers. Also, I don’t think age defines music taste.

    This is coming from a kid who listens to listens to Queen. I don’t like new songs. Pop music went bad after 1998, rap went bad after 2001, country went bad [insert year first country song was created], and classical music isn’t exactly terrible, but it’s… bland. There’s a difference between liking a genre of music and disliking change as a whole. Instead of directing this at an entire age group, how about just the people that like that shit.

    lol

    • No, technically things like violins, oboes, and drums are “instruments'” and not “machines.” Look up the definitions. Electronic keyboards, computers, and synthesizers stretch the definition and may be considered machines.

  121. Nobody cares about your condescending shitty opinions.

  122. Schoenberg, Webern, Berg and Cage would like to have a word.
    As an actual music scholar (At a conservatorium and everything) and under 25 it seems to me that your views on music are very narrow and uninformed indeed.
    Furthermore, if you really truly were informed even on the narrow slice that you ordain to be music, you would probably not have chosen “Nessun Dorma” as your example.
    In fact, allow me to one-up your elitism and go ahead and say Pavarotti isn’t even really that good. His interpretations so often lack subtlety, instead relying on the pure power that his voice can produce. In my mind, I place him well behind the work of Carouso and Florez, two true masters.

    As with all things, there is a variety of quality. Some modern music is utter trash, true, but every genre has its geniuses. I suspect many of the things you take issue with in Technologically produced music is common with such long-standing classical and orchestral genres as minimalism and expressionism.
    I highly recommend listening to the work of Florez on “Ah mes amis” as some semblance of the sheer difference between the craft of these musicians, in the meantime however, I would suggest leaving the elitism to the informed.

    • Even scholars can be ill-informed, stodgy in their opinions, and guilty of poor taste. Just look at all the great artists who were rejected by the conservatories of their times.

      Pavarotti was fantastic. I prefer him to Caruso and other great tenors of the past who’ve left recordings — and yes, I have listened to a number of them. I also understand phrasing and nuanced singing, which is conspicuously absent in the pop music of 2015.

      You, by flaunting your credentials as proof of your correctness, are acting as the elitist here. Schoenberg, Berg, and Webern are mostly musical curiosities whose music is despised outside the academies. By inventing a rigid set of 12 tone rules, they created music that is largely unlistenable. There’s a reason why they’re underrepresented in the classical repertory.

  123. You sire,
    Are a god and just made my day I’m a teen and all my friends listen to electronic music which sucks ass hopefully I can talk some sense into them.
    Thank you

  124. How do you feel about this type of machine-generated garbage?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaUpbCdEQYQ

    I can’t help what I like, and I can’t help feeling that this is pretty artistic. It doesn’t have any humanization, but I listen to that sort of stuff and appreciate it too.

  125. so…. a lot of anger on here. I’m searching for anything good to put into my ears. Anything that will blow my mind and open up the ceiling when I put my headphones on? Hungry for something new to inspire me as someone who has been composing for film and television for a long while and played in touring bands all the way until a few years ago. I have managed to avoid connecting with EDM in anyway other than partying and getting off my head and not really being amazed by much more than the lights and the moving bodies. I want something for my heart and brain that’s of this genre. something that travels the soul and the brain. With much gratitude~

  126. Nah Man, Fuck Music Today, Fuck The Rolling Stones, Fuck The Beatles, Fuck Elvis Presley, Fuck Mozart, Fuck Beethoven.

    IT’S ALL ABOUT CAVEMAN MUSIC.
    When neanderthals were making music with their mouths and hitting sticks and stones.
    NOW THAT’S IS CALL REAL MUSIC.
    Not That Bullshit Classical, Baroque, Medieval, and Renaissance Shit. That’s Right…

    Fuckem All!!!!
    NEANDERTHAL MUSIC FOR LIFE!!! BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!

  127. This is pure ignorance. You say music needs to stir emotion and meaning. Try listening to Crossroad by Au5. This is a perfect example. Also, you say music requires talent to produce. It’s not a fucking button that says “PRESS HERE TO MAKE MUSIC”. It requires music theory knowledge, originality, structure, knowledge of the program used, and much more. I think you’ve been blinded by the “party and get drunk” theme of most pop music today. Another good example is Frame Of Mind by Tristam. The vocals in this song are absolutely beautiful, and as far as I can tell, completely natural. If you think making this “garbage” is so easy, I’d like to see you do it. I’m over 25, and I listen to and enjoy electronic music. You must be fun to be around.

  128. A) All people have their own opinions.
    Example
    John: I like cheese.
    Dan: I don’t like cheese.

    B) Just because someone has an opinion doesn’t make it any more viable than anyone else’s.
    Example
    John: I respect your opinion.
    Dan: I respect your opinion as well.

    C) Music can not be defined as one particular set of rules, otherwise it is even more robotic than robots themselves.
    Example
    Jack: Only classical music is worth listening to…the rest is just a bunch of loud noises…not even music, really.

    D) Only awful people push their opinions onto others with insults, thoughts of superiority, and fighting.
    Example
    Various dictators, slavers, murderers…etc.

    E) Everything above is just my opinion. *wink*

  129. Im about to set you straight, u old ass people say we dont have any skills and what so ever, making music on a computer can take up to 50 hours and is alot harder than you think, harder than guitar playing and everything, have u ever even tried making it digitally, like professional? No i didnt guess so, see i play both piano and guitar and i can truly say that making music digitally is alot more harder, ive been doing it for 4 years and it takes up to 50 hours for me to finnish a track, so shut ur mouth before u talk cause u dont even have any progress in that era, and btw i do listen to music from the 50’s and all kinds, jesus

  130. I completely agree that I’m not fond of the music that is constantly playing on the radio.

    However, entertainment is just that. It’s not an important part of life. Instead of ANY of these artists making all of this money, it should be going to medical research and education. And YET, people find time to rant about MUSIC. I find that to be more ironic than how music has changed to be shit.

    Yea, artists can be famous for just anything, but entertainment is so unimportant to humanity, I don’t understand how anyone got FAMOUS for doing something I can do at home for myself. Why spend money to hear someone sing? I can sing to my damn self and no one else has to like it.

    So, again, music is just entertainment, just a distracting and a way to pass time. So who cares if it’s shitty now if it’s entertaining a few folks?

  131. Hello there raging traveler!

    My name is Alex, but my I go by the DJ name of Qua-Z. The funny thing for me is that I started out listening to 80’s hair metal, then more metal, then I got into heavy metal, then into dubstep because of the metal like sound, and now am into chillstep and other softer types of electronic music. Sure I may like the few EDM or Hardstyle tracks that are out there, (not the greatest fan of Trap). But my favorite sound is Glitch Hop, which is basically a funky version of dubstep, with more emphasis on the drums. If you think that making electronic music requires no talent at all, then there are a few things you should know:

    1.) Though I agree dance music is relatively easy, it is insanely fucking hard to make dubstep (though a lot of people take it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to far with the complexity in a lot of songs now).

    2.) Some artists actually do all of their tracks live, with launchpads and disk jockey setups. For example, there’s this guy who incorporates his musical instruments and engineering into what he does, Jack Conte: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfDfdyBldz0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAJBc7gW-Vc
    If you are interested in other artists that do this I recommend:
    Haywyre:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLXS0EGwCZg and Ronald Jenkees (more bluesy, jazzy/funky electronic) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0YiWsAM0O8

    3.) Just because people make electronic music doesn’t mean that all of them only make generic Electronic Dance Music. There are a lot of people out there that have learned to incorporate their own styles into their sound. I used to be one of the generic musicians that used loops that you could by online. Now I try not to becuase I feel that that is a cheap way of doing things. I’ve made about 200 songs total, 50 or more of which don’t incorporate loops into the song. I was taught that by my music teacher.

    Using loops though is really just the first step, as you can find out so much about the music by just using the loops, like what would be the best time to add this, or shift the track to that, etc. It helps you become proficient and experience several different types of electronic music so that you may be able to narrow your focus a bit more. I don’t want to make something like other people. Sure it would be easier to go the generic route, but I feel that that is not really me being me, but instead me selling myself out. I want to find my own style and develope it. Maybe even add a band to it later. Maybe I’ll make background tracks that I can sing too. I want to make music that people can groove to, but I still like making beautiful chillstep and rockin’ drumstep.

    In fact, if I were to ever use loops again, it would be to incorporate some sound that I couldn’t figure out how to make yet. I would use it in tandem with my original sounds.

  132. This is hysterical man. Did you ever even study music before the 2000’s? Ever heard of the Brill Building? It basically turned musicians into powerless pawns for producers to throw about. Music was pumped out like machine and thrown at mindless teenagers for their enjoyment. Most singers had to lip-sync because they were pulled off the street to preform if they had a “nice face”. This was in the early 60’s. Sound familiar?

    Don’t try to act like we’re the first generation to have horrible, non-emotionally stimulating, talentless popular music.

  133. Emo stands for emotional. So all this bullshit about music having no emotion makes my ears bleed. If you don’t like what you hear. STOP LISTENING. I will admit I’m not the biggest fan of rap, but I don’t go around telling people what to think about it. People don’t just play or listen to music because they can they do it because they connect to it. Dubstep takes almost as much skill as anything else. With EDM you control the intire song, not just one part. Modern music is amazing! And it is getting better. If you want to be respected stop telling people their music is fucking bullshit because all you’re doing is pissing people off and giving you even less respect. Oh, btw what you said about real music not needing fancy gadgets, try telling that to the guy who was singing into a fucking microphone (second clip).

  134. God forbid people under 25 listening to classical music.

  135. There’s one part here I definitely don’t agree with. “The major elements that go into music: pitch, timbre, key, harmony, loudness, rhythm, meter, and tempo” (Daniel J. Levitin). As long as it has this, it can be music. SO YES a machine CAN make music.

    Here let me educate you. Me, an 18-year-old girl. Clearly I have no taste in music because I believe MACHINES CAN MAKE MUSIC. Let me tell you this, music from my generation can be enjoyed. Yes. You know what modern artists are doing? They’re finding new sounds. And you know what I guess it’s eliciting emotions if it’s pissing you off so much. A musician has failed if they’re not making you feel something. Music is like a painting, the artist wants you to feel something. It doesn’t even matter if you like it. It’s still causing you to have some sort of emotion, some sort of opinion. It’s making you think, it’s making you feel.

    And I’ll tell you this. I’m not really a huge fan of all recent music. Some of it is trash in my opinion. And hey, you know, I consider myself to have GOOD TASTE in music. After all, I’ve been studying classical piano for ten years. I played the violin for five years. I play the French horn too– for six years now. I absolutely love jamming out to some Chopin, Holst, Maslanka, or Balmages. I also love Jason Mraz, Justin Timberlake, Jack Johnson, Charlie Puth, and George Erza. You probably don’t have a problem with the people I just mentioned. But you have a problem with machines? MACHINES? We literally use them for everything. Why can’t you convey your emotion through machines? It’s like conveying my emotion through the very text I’m writing– and I’m writing it on a godforsaken machine oh no. I’m sure you can tell I’m irked by your claims.

    And here this is how machines imitate noise. Taken straight out of Daniel J. Levitin’s “This is Your Brain on Music”:

    “If I line up a bunch of generators, I could set each one of them to play a specific frequency corresponding to the overtone series for a particular instrument playing a particular tone. I could have a bank of these generators making sounds at 110, 220, 330, 440, 550, and 660 Hz, which would give the listener the impression of a 110 Hz tone played by a musical instrument. Furthermore, I could control the amplitude of each of my generators and make each of the tones play at a particular loudness, corresponding to the overtone profile of a natural musical instrument. If I did that, the resulting bank of generators would approximate the sound of a clarinet, or flute, or any other instrument I was trying to emulate” (Daniel J. Levitin)

    Look at that! A machine can exactly imitate the sound of any natural instrument. I bet you wouldn’t even be able to tell the difference if the overtone profile is matched exactly.

    “A clever organ player could simulate the sound of a clarinet by manipulating drawbars in such a way as to re-create the overtone series of that instrument. A little bit off 220 Hz here, a dash of 330 Hz, a dollop of 440 Hz, a heaping helping of 550 Hz, and viola!- you’ve cooked yourself up a reasonable facsimile of an instrument” (Daniel J. Levitin).

    Hell even an instrument can imitate the sound of other instruments!

    If you’re unclear what a machine is, let Google tell you.

    Machine 1. (noun) “an apparatus using or applying mechanical power and having several parts, each with a definite function and together performing a particular task.”

    And if you aren’t sure what “Mechanical” means:

    “working or produced by machines or machinery.” Well look at that, this definition is leading me in a loop. Let’s try defining machinery.

    machines collectively. Thanks for nothing Google.

    Oh and look at what Yahoo gives me:

    “Are humans just incredibly sophisticated machines?
    Arthur C. Clark said that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. If the human brain is just an incredibly sophisticated computer, wouldn’t it naturally perceive its own existence as “magic?” Stated another way, if humans were actually just high-functioning machines and not special beings with an immortal soul, is there any scientific way for us to find that out?”

    “IF THE HUMAN BRAIN IS JUST AN INCREDIBLY SOPHISTICATED COMPUTER” Wow look at that. Our brains can be considered a computer. You CAN consider humans a machine.

    If you wanted to.
    But I guess you want to draw a distinction between music made by living thing and nonliving things.

    But it’s still undeniable that generators can exactly imitate the sound of a natural musical instrument. That is fact. That is science. Your brain can’t tell the difference.

    Now I can’t speak for the video you posted, providing an example of this “trash”. According to youtube, it doesn’t exist. But you’re still wrong that machines can’t make music. I’m sure you could groove to the Rhapsody in Blue solo played clarinet even if it was generated by machines. Unless you simply don’t like Rhapsody in Blue. And if you didn’t I would question your taste in music.

    It is okay for you to have opinions, but it’s BS that machines can’t make music. You couldn’t tell the difference.

    Not all of us teenagers are trash. Not all of the music we listen to is trash. I may be one in a hundred, but don’t deny facts and science. You could learn something from youth, “wise guy”. And fine, crap talk me after I post this comment. I have a brain. I used it. I supported my claims with pure science, pure fact. My claims aren’t just opinions. They’re the truth.

    Now go pop some headphones in your ears and try listening to music generated by machines again. These sounds make you feel something. They’re fresh. They’re new. You might now like it. That’s fine. You may think anything made in the 2000’s is complete garbage.

    Why do some people think some genres are crap and some genres are gold? I’m conducting research to find the answer to that question, and eventually, I’ll dig it up. When I get into college next year on neuroscience and music majors, I’m going to prove it for myself and recreate the research I found. I’ll shake my head from your ignorance just as I shake my head as I write this.

    YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OPINIONS, BUT HERE TAKE MY FACTS.

    _______________________________________________________________________________

    PS. Please keep in mind I wrote this in 20 minutes. Feel free to find holes. I’ll play your game. I didn’t even read you’re whole article because one thing bothered me SO much. And look at that, I argued against your one thing.

    _______________________________________________________________________________

    “(7) Real music shouldn’t need gadgets or special effects to be enjoyed.”
    And what the heck. A hearing aid is a gadget, a lot of people need “gadgets” to enjoy music.

    Open your ears, open your eyes, and open your heart old man and give a little respect to the younger generation and look at who taught us.

    • Uh dude don’t need to make a book about this.

  136. What are your opinions on rap and hip hop?.

    • Nolan Replies:

      Dog shit and pig shit.

      — ND

  137. i haven’t read anything that ignorant and stupid for a long time.

  138. I see that your insecurities are showing.

  139. So if I’m under 25 but I like music that my dad likes such as: Rush,Metallica,Rainbow,etc then those bands are shitty?

  140. …said every generation of crotchety old people ever

    best troll post on the internet.

  141. I can see you have tried to gte a result by being abusive. Sahme this is your style. On music you are wrong. There is more live music now than in the last 20 years. Keep your eyes open. Many super clubs have gone!

  142. I agree with everything you said. Only when I clicked that last link, it was Opera. Dude, Opera? You play that driving down the strip? Play it in the morning to get psyched? It’s kind of like the National Anthem to get the blood pumping. LOL!

    Instead of saying oh I don’t know… Pink Floyd, The Doors, Marvin Gaye.

    I’ll say this real quick. When I first heard of 2 Chainz I thought he was a fictional character for a TV show. Turned out to be a real person. Also Jay Z is totally overrated.
    And Kanye West is garbage. Everything he does is SHIT! Pre Pig. Post Pig. Pig = Kardashian.

    As for hip hop, I’ll stick to Tech N9ne & Eminem.

    • BITCH, FUCK YOUR feminem! He’s just as fucking overrated too, if not more!

  143. I once asked my paternal grandfather what sorts of music he enjoyed and he mentioned Cole Porter, George Gershwin, Jerome Kern, Harold Arlen, Hoagy Carmichael, Kurt Weill and Rodgers and Hart. When I asked what tunes he liked, he said everything they wrote. I then asked him what he thought of some of the jazz music my father liked, including Bebop Jazz and he said it was just noise.

    My dad was a tenor sax player, he was in the final incarnation of Benny Goodman’s orchestra, among other things, he knew more about music than most people will ever forget, and while he cheerfully embraced The Beatles, Blood, Sweat & Tears, etc. he certainly didn’t get Jimi Hendrix or the 1970’s progressive rock my brother and I listened to endlessly in his home.

    I’ll end with this quote: “All music is valid.” – Chick Corea

    • “All music is valid” is not the same as all music is equal or even good. You could make the same argument that all poetry is valid, and that doggerel verse has the same artistic merit as the poetry of the great romantics.

      Whether or not you like Bebop, you at least have to recognize that it was often performed by brilliant musicians. It would be a stretch to even recognize many of today’s pop icons as musicians. They’re canned, auto tuned, corporate-polished “entertainers” at best, and studies of the million song dataset shows that they’re lacking in variety and imagination as well.

  144. So I am 23 and I listen to classical music exclusively… good one on generalising an entire demographic based on the charts.

  145. I’m about to set your fucking arse straight dickhead

    Don’t judge people on there age because it has nothing to do with music tastes oh wait your over 25 so that makes you so superior

  146. And guess what cunt head your deffintly not my elder I’m 21 I’m an adult to and your only 4 years older then me
    Want to argue so I can disrespect you some more let me know because you treat me like shit you get it back like I said your no different to any other legal adult I’m still physically in my 20s just like you are so learn in your thick head that respect is earned not just given

  147. Oh and BTW you think you know what your talking about will don’t you dare stereotype everyone under 25 and say they listen to pop because I listen to metal

  148. I am 77 years old and i still like to listen to all kinds of music including Pavarotti and Christina Novelli and disco. Rap and dubstep is garbage and offensive rants

  149. I totally agree.

    At least you have a brain in this pop loving world.

    POP SUCKS!!!!!!!
    METAL AND ROCK RULES THE WORLD!!!!

  150. Hey im under 25!!

    Im 11 years old so you stop disrespecting kids.
    But in a way i kinda agree with you about the music.

  151. I’m fourteen years old, and I believe that classic rock and pop-rock from the years 1970-2010 is the very best genre of music. I have only heard two or three good songs that came out in the past two years, and all that hip-hop crap that’s popular now absolutely sucks. Please, don’t generalize us all.

  152. all those thick as pigshit types that flock to the european clubs to indulge in nights of synthesised pap with its turgid mindless thud, thud beat. Accompanied inevitably by some dull as ditchwater light show, christ !!! Inane dj’s, always without exception total fuckin nonentities.
    Its a pathetic culture of wealthy club owners and their thugs, exploiting the sappy brained tattooed halfwits and their desire to soak up loud noise.

  153. only really stupid people label things in such a vastly blind way. what you are ‘trying’ to state is this: we all get older and see the pop dross in the same way after a while.. (unless we are just terminally stupid commercial minded fuckin idiots) yes! pop music is shit.. always has been.. and NO! electronic music isnt unreal..
    lastly. youre a prick.

    • Actually, no — pop music hasn’t always been “shit.” There was some fantastic pop music in the 60s and 70s. Jazz was the pop music of the 20s. And in his day, Beethoven represented the closest thing to pop music in Viennese society. But there is something stale and empty about electronic drumbeats, amplified sounds without tonal variety, and the bland sameness of pop music today. This has been scientifically validated by studies of the Million Song dataset. Look it up.

  154. I just read this and agree 100 percent apart from not all electronic music is bad since pretty much all music we listen too is created by machines, yes a musical instrument is indeed a machine and of course the microphone artists record through and the medium we use to record and listen to music is also machines this isnt really a good point. However it isnt really a case of the music making medium that is the problem it is a case of the artist and in this case the artists making todays music are str8 trash. I am under 25 but love to listen to oldschool reggae funk soul Rnb and oldschool hip hop I do not fuck with the autotune trash that is polluting music today and the rappers that all seem to have the same style and flow. I also listen to electronic music but only if its good but todays music is mostly garbage. I think it is a case of the comercialisation of music too for instance dubsteb originally sounded very interesting and was none of this wahhhg wbwbwbwbw shit that it is on now. A lot of it had reggae basslines and interesting ideas but it got comercialised and went to the shitter same thing happened with hip hop the mainstream shit ruined it and the real stuff went to the underground. The same has also happened with Rnb and Reggae plus pretty much every genre you could imagine. On the machine thing though autotune is making it easier for shit artists to cover the fact that they cant sing and I also think ridiculous over mastering and over production is playing a part in taking the soul out of a record. All in all music is a reflection of society and we all know how fake most of the artists are today so its no surprise the music is a reflection of them.

  155. @Nolan

    Go fall down your stairs, break almost every bone in your frail pathetic body. Have a sudden heart attack from your inept control of your anger and stress. Since you’re an old intolerant fuck, who thinks he’s a badass on the Internet, prove to me that your shriveled testicles can do better than that by proclaiming your so called “facts” to the people who happen to enjoy the genres you deemed unworthy of being music in real life. Get your saggy ass beaten to shit by said people. Suffer a concussive blow to the head that renders you vegetative. While you’re in on your death bed, with nothing but a machine (yes, a machine, somewhat like the ones you ignorantly despised) keeping your waste of oxygen self alive, until a rave glow stick flies through your window, smacks your power cord, and turns off your life support. Then, any remnants of your family who will have never missed you, sell this website domain name to a random creep on the Internet who will use it to post pictures of his two conjoined dicks.

    • Nolan Replies:

      I give this post a solid “9.” Thanks for contributing.

      — ND

      • It’s good to see that you still read these comment as they are hilarious!! I’m a electronic producer/Dj with multiply song on beatport and vinyl

    • Well said, Well said.

  156. Okay I’m 14 and happen to believe i have an excellent taste in music. I don’t listen to any of the crap they put on the radio because it is in fact, shit. You’re right that todays music or at least the kind that is popular is all made on a computer and most of the time the “artist” is talentless. But you can’t say every person under 25 has shit taste. you’re just another person who thinks they know everything about music and stereotypes against kids. You must be so proud. If anyone is ignorant here, its you.

    • Amy, I don’t believe Mr. Nolan is denigrating the musical tastes of all teens and Millennials. His point is that the last generation of pop music is garbage, which it is. My nieces and nephews for the most part listen to classic bands like Led Zeppelin and the Who, while plenty of older adults are swept up in the hype of contemporary dancing, singing models — that is, if they’re actually singing. That doesn’t change the fact that pop music today is historically dull, unimaginative, talentless, loud, and just plain awful.

  157. Hahaha man you need a life, like desperately…. I hope you find one soon and I wish you well, attention whore

  158. “I’m your elder. My opinion demands respect.”
    Oh my, how arrogant. That is not how it works. If you treat me like shit, then I will treat you like shit. If you are respectful to my taste, I’d be respectful towards yours. However, since you aren’t. Operas are sort of boring. Classical music like Mozart or Beethoven are overrated shit (I personally prefer Bartok or Chopin when it comes to classical music). I also like Jazz (Joe Pass and Ella Fitzgerald specifically). I also regularly listen to electronic music. By the way, fuck your definition of real music. Music is a form of expression. A form of creativity. A sampler, a drum machine and a computer are the instruments. To make simplistic crap most dimwits in my generation like takes some skill, but not a lot of it. I prefer, more sophisticated electronic music. Music that isn’t about getting drunk or high. Music that provokes emotion, that expresses emotion. Music is a passion among musicians who take it seriously. Those who truly love it will also make the most moving music. Those who only want profit might make catchy tunes but ultimately make soulless music. Now have a look at electronic music. There is not just one genre of it. There are actually dozens of them.

  159. Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion grandpa. The generation of today can like whatever they want and you can sit in your rocker and listen to classical or whatever the hell you want. I personally am younger than 25 and I listen to all types of music including hip hop and rap. You say the word “fact” all throughout your post yet most of what you said isn’t actually fact. Most of your post was opinion based. Our generation has the right to listen to and enjoy whatever we want. So, before you go spitting obscenities at the generation of today for simply liking music that is different than what you like, listen to some Bach or Mozart and try to relax before you give yourself a heart attack:).

    -Thanks

    • Apparently you care about grandpa’s opinion or you wouldn’t have some to the trouble of posting a response.

      • Hey Peter, I guess you were right I do care about his opinion because it upsets me to know that there is someone so arrogant and high on himself to think that what he believes has to be shared with the rest of the world in such a derogatory manner towards my generation. He could have posted a blog in a way that didn’t make the generation of today sound like assholes, but instead he posted this which portrays the young people of the 21st century as brainless idiots that cannot appreciate music. Like Mr. Dalla believes my generation cannot appreciate music, I do not appreciate your response. Nor did I ask for it or need it. I am not here to debate whether I care about your opinion or not. My soul purpose for this response is to tell you how I so sincerely wish that thunder-cunts like you did not exist and that you were merely a stain on the bed sheets.

    • The purpose of some music isn’t to “match the stellar majesty of Luciano Pavarotti’s singing “Nessun Dorma”

      And that includes Frank Sinatra singing Harold Arlen’s World on a String or Rodgers and Hart’s The Lady is a Tramp.

      Music isn’t a temple, even if some of it belongs in one.

  160. It is true, music today doesn’t amount to a rat’s behind. No meaning, no spirit, no inspiration just bubble gum wannabes.
    I guess internet and technology instead of improving humanity is destroying it.

    • no just the best thing on earth.

  161. I completely agree with you but if you want people’s taste in music and therefore music itself to become better you have to invite youngsters to learn music not insulting them cause if you do they will call you close-minded and you’re just beating your head against the wall.
    because anyone who knows even a little about playing an instrument agrees with you no matter if they’re 10 or 60 yo ,I’m 17 and completely understand what you’re saying thanks to my mother who forced me to learn guitar. I was mad at her but now I understand why she did it.
    I think if each mom and dad does that in a couple of years we will be able to see improvements.
    sorry for my eng.

    • bitch shut up.

  162. YOU’RE A THUNDER CUNT YA HEARD?!?

  163. You need to stop listening to the radio. The truth is that most music is garbage. None of that stuff stands the test of time. All of the old stuff is good because the crappy old music has been filtered out through the mercy of cultural forgetfulness.

    • Very well said Tom, especially the bit about being filtered through the mercy of cultural forgetfulness. I’m sure there were plenty of other composers during the Baroque and Romantic eras whose sheet music isn’t missed. The likes of Bach, Mozart and Beethoven endured for a reason.

  164. This is pathetic. I’m very true to good music, and I understand the difference between more complex, more emotionally and dense, and sophisticated music and horribly organized patterns, but still, it’s all subjective. Check out Tool, Failure, Autolux, Nine Inch Nails (anything done by Trent Reznor, for that matter), Rush, Kodomo (who implemented the golden ration into one of his songs)…newer music does not imply bad music. You’ve overlooked the hidden gems of our age and generalized an entire generation of music based off of your limited exposure.

  165. Nice post. You are spot on my friend. Young people don’t even know what “music” is. Much less create original art.

    • Hello yes we do and you can’t say we don’t are music is the best ever mad so go some where with that shit.

  166. Wow…what a dick. Wrong on every front. Dick on man!

    • Shawn, you sound just like fans of Beethoven upon hearing Stravinski. Or fans of big band music, when confronted with “be bop” jazz. Hell, there were Elvis fans that hated the Beatles. And Beatles fans that couldn’t deal with 80’s and 90’s pop music.

  167. My thoughts? Oh, this is going to be a long one…

    This guy is preaching to the choir. He starts the article by alienating the very people he professes to speak to, meaning they won’t bother reading it. He also places some poorly researched and heavy opinions that seem to bait people into an obvious argument that he appears to be enjoying.

    Which makes him a troll…

    That aside though, the meat of the argument does have credibility. I won’t dismiss the concept because the writer is a twat about it. At its roots, it wants to shout at the conveyor belt the industry has become, simply churning out soulless music for the sake of meeting corporate breadlines.

    For those who may not know, my background includes recording, sequencing, songwriting, sound engineering (live and studio), other stage work, acting, videography, photography and writing. With a few exceptions, most of my experience is unpaid, placing me solidly in the amateur bracket. That’s fine, as I have used the opportunity to learn and develop my various crafts as a self-taught jack-of-all. Learning in this way has given some considerable insight, as I observe others making fresh mistakes as ‘professionals’ of things I privately figured out long ago. I can also make my own mistakes and learn from them, without being shamed by insecure ‘professionals’ breathing down my neck, needing to flex their elitist muscles to ensure their closed-shop industries are protected from my transgressions… but I digress.

    Many artists over the years have spoken out against the music industry, saying the demands it places on them are unreasonable to achieve their best. They say it smothers their creativity and rushes them away from the emotional journey (or whatever inspiration they wish to develop from) before they portray it. Instead, they must meet deadlines set contractually. This practice is not for the benefit of the musicians, nor the music, rest assured.

    The studio environment has become the ‘Photoshop’ of music; the real talent lays in editing, these days. Tools designed for absolute control, to support and improve an already great creation into the envisioned masterpiece, being abused to turn a ‘shot to nothing’ into ‘art’. A good engineer these days is expected to work damned fast. After all, studio time is expensive!

    It doesn’t work. As a photographer, I’ve met others who proudly show off some absolute shit next to the finished product, so you can see how ‘talented’ they are. Shadows that don’t make sense, poorly cloned skies and some works that make an entire room groan in frustration. This is exactly the problem with the music industry.

    Autotune, for example, is very much like the audio equivalent to Photoshop’s ‘clone’ tool. Use it to fix a small area and you won’t need to rerecord. Use it for effect to create the impression you intended and that’s fine too. Used everywhere and you’re no longer correcting – you’re creating. I could take the worst singer and make them sound listenable. It would take a long while and require some real talented editing to sound as natural as I’d like it to, but yes, it can be done. It’s far from the only tool in their arsenal, all the same story; created to give control to the engineer for tweaking, instead relied upon to ‘get it done’. The music industry never has time to craft or create anymore, so they just let an algorithm have its best guess. Oh dear… and as that technology gets better and better, the entry requirement to be a ‘musician’ drops lower and lower.

    I’m happy that the cost of such powerful studio equipment has plummeted to the point where most anyone can afford synths and effects. But in all the rush to embrace this new technology, nobody thought to actually learn it. I dispute the idea that these synths alone cannot create the emotional journey he seeks through music. The pioneer of such synth and laser wonderment is Jean Michel Jarre and, as a 2-time Guinness World Record holder (at current), one would be foolish to challenge his obvious talent as a composer just because his live shows were heavy on the computers, lighting, pyrotechnics, projections, lasers…

    Overcompensating? Nope. Entertaining! It’s possible to have the complete package, but I accept there are historically far more bad examples than good.

    Do not blame technology, but rather those who use it thinking making great music is easy now. No. Making that music is still just as challenging, but it’s never been easier or cheaper to turn those ideas into masterpieces. Might be tricky finding the diamonds under the growing pool of shit, but the real talent still exists in the same measure.

    Finally, a disclaimer: Music is subjective, as with any art. Liking something doesn’t make it technically ‘good’ and disliking it isn’t automatically saying it’s talentless. It’s a preference. However, critics will look past personal preference and analyse the material on a purely technical merit (ideally). Critics must therefore have a deeper understanding of what goes into the creative process and be able to listen for the tell-tale signs. I can still hate something, but give credit where it’s due. I’m also not perfect and not paid for my opinions. I am an amateur critic. wink emoticon

    TL:DR
    Don’t play pretend you’re a professional when all you have is pro equipment ‘skillz’ and no tangible talent; you might get offered an evil record contract and contribute further to the problem of over-saturated crap and low standards (see Steam Greenlight).

  168. You hit the nail on the head Sir…….these “new Artists” completely trashed R & B. It’s Crap!! They Can’t Read nor Write music and what kind of lyrics is that trash. I’m from the 70’s and I know bands and music. I play bass and yes, I can read music. The bands in the 70’s knew how to play…Today’s music is just awful. Either learn how to read and write music so you can write melodies.

    • That is were you are wrong. Your bands and stuff talked about the stuff new artist talk about. so don’t go there it is the best.

    • Sorry pal. It is arguments like yours making clowns of people falling for the same sentient. Frank Sinatra rings a bell. He never wrote a damn thing. But he could sing like a charm. I also bet you can read music? Cool if the answer is yes. I am waiting for your interpretation of Antonin Dvorak’s New World Symphony. Good luck.

  169. I must say that some of this is true but everyone has their own preferences and taste. I know plenty of people who like pop and dubstep and they are perfectly happy. Also, not all artists use computers for every little thing they do. Most artists acually have a story behind their songs like Melanie Martinez. I don’t usually defend pop like this but just because there are people out there that don’t like the music you like doesn’t mean that it’s ok to call it garbadge. For all you know there could be people calling your music the same thing.

    It’s ok to have an opinion but when you do so like this, it can completely destroy the other person’s opinion.

  170. Well, not even going to bother reading this since you’re so close minded. I was going to give it a shot, but about halfway through the second full paragraph, I realized that you’re just an immature drama queen. You really think only one type of music is good? You really think ALL of us listen to “boy bands” who don’t touch an instrument or even bother writing their own lyrics?

    • He is not talking about ONE type of music. He didn’t even mention one. Only left this Pavarotti as an example. But I would disagree on Pavarotti. Such an overrated Tenor. Just as overrated as Carmina Burana- Oh Fortuna. Hate this shit. Otherwise I love quite some exact notated music too.

    • I’m starting to think he’s a troll, or needs to be given the lethal injection. Yeah, I can’t disagree with you there. It sounds like he just hates anything which has synthesized instruments. Even synthesizers can produce sweet sounds, and carry emotion.

  171. I respect your opinion, but personally I believe our music is a lot better than old music because we are only talking about the same thing. We all talk about love, sex, drugs and lots more things. If you think that our music sucks that is just you but you can’t make us stop listening to it. And if you try you can go suck a dick. But I will continue to listen to it. And old people music is the worst and it eats shit. See some songs may not make since but that does not make them all shit.

    • How convenient to say that we all talk about love, sex and drugs. But do I as a listener have to be bombarded every time I want to hear some music? The answer is no!
      Also I only talk about certain things when I am around specific people I need or dearly want to address these things to. I would not want to hear people constantly talk about sex and how and why they prefer this and that. This is sad.
      Don’t people know privacy anymore? So why lose the shit in music?
      Who needs vulgar language in music? I don’t
      Why I do not care about teenager oriented music.

  172. You sir, speak the truth. I’m only 23, and I agree that the vast majority of today’s music catalog is just fucking shit. Nearly every popular song nowadays is about sex and genitalia. I’m fucking sick and tired of it. That’s why I only listen to the classic stations now. At least the songs on those stations have some variety.

    • I couldn’t agree more. P.S. I hate both dubstep and emotionally barren music in general with a veritable passion. Lately I have had success in blocking out the sounds of the particular pop music of which you speak, to keep my rage in check. I live in my own musical bubble and am exposed to plenty of great artists online and through friends. However, I now experience similar emotions when bombarded with ads for horrible TV and movies I cannot imagine the value in watching (and yet these are often the most popular shows and movies of all). The music from “Frozen” I can think of no other way to describe as a gumball-dispenser full of mindlessly-assembled dramatic musical tropes for an end result of no one song I could remember after watching the film! (And this is coming from a person who has perfect relative pitch and a pretty close to photographic musical memory, to the point that I can’t sing songs or pieces to myself in my head without them being in their original key). The mindless gumball entertainment machine seems to be a metaphor for the overarching problem of saccharine, distracting, meaningless and easily-consumed art that is so rampant these days. The money machine which drives all the trends has no concept of sustainability or meaning when it comes to these manufactured arts. When the end goal of a culture is to earn the most money and entertain the loudest, biggest and fastest, everyone is bound to suffer.

    • You are only 23 years old and already agree on an old man’s statement? Cool. You are prepared to die young. You really think there is nothing to see anymore and nowhere to go. What an idiot.
      And listening to classical stations restricts your personal experience as does any other radio or internet radio channel.
      You have simply no taste why you listen to ‘classical’ radio. You know what you are talking about? No.
      You are one of these nerds buying a classical compilation and feeling so special about. “Look mommy, I like classical music now.”
      What exactly? Like Tchaikovsky’s nutcracker suite? Love some Chopin nocturnes? What about some ballet suites by Shostakovich? Ever heard of Carl Philip Emanuel Bach? Sure you have. You are into classical music right?
      And I bet the idea of listening to some jazz gives you the creeps.
      23 years old and already creeping up into this old man’s anus.
      Bozo.

    • Who gives a fuck if you’re ‘only 23’? You’re no better than those kids on YouTube who say the exact same thing
      “I’m twelve and I was born in the wrong generation-
      NO ONE GIVES A FUCK

      well, i kinda agree with the fact that 60-70% of modern music is pretty shitty, though.

  173. WOW looks like a lot of people butt-hurt over music. every generation loves their music plain and simple. I watched the music awards last Sunday and i have to say i saw crotch grabbing pussy slapping and booty popping.cant say that all that is necessary. people don’t like change either. music looks like it will continue to evolve into the noise that it has become. im 43 and i like what sounds good new or old. The 80’s was an awesome time for music. our parents hated it too but as teens we loved it. 50’s 60’s 70’s 80’s were in my opinion the golden ages of music. it took talent in those days and music was diverse. today i see artist with great voices but the multi talented singers who actually picked up and instrument seem few and far gone these days. Technology seems to made things too easy. you like what you like and makes you feel good with good memories in your life.
    but I have to agree with Nolan. allot is pretty much crap today. mostly top 40.

  174. Some are stuck in a time warp. Evolution is real, and technology revolution demands respect, not age. Reality is, there’s a lot of great songwriters and performers out there, however they’re harder to find than the 70s where the radio and record companies programmed the feeble masses of what to listen to. There’s also a lot of crap music out there that the mass media promotes. And to find the good music one needs to look deep underground to find it. Sure, if we all just accept what the corporations promote as music, we only see a small segment of what exists. That’s how it goes in a fascist society. Public domain for copyrights are fading, and the money grubs are trying their best to squeeze every penny out of what they can get.

  175. Every judgement about any music is an opinion. I am entirely sympathetic with Nolan’s opinion and believe he is right in general terms. There are however always exceptions. If you could measure quality of music I think it would be evident that the bar has dropped. Simply put, the clue is in the name EDM. A generalisation bracketing a wide variety of music called Electronic DANCE Music. Not designed for listening to, but dancing. In my opinion.

  176. Oh, angry bitter old man is angry because modern music is not made the way he does it so he doesn’t understand it, therefore it sucks.

    Remember, even the piano was once considered brand new technology helping people play more easily and there was probably some old windbag on a harp all butt-hurt because people had moved on.

    Get a life. If you’re garnering hits through insults and not your own art, than you are beyond irrelevant.

    • agreed. he needs to stop spreading his cancer

  177. Oceans Ate Alaska is a very talented metalcore group. They’ve been around for only 4 years. Their drummer, Chris Turner, actually got drummer of the year. If you listen to them, they are actually very technical in the art of music.

  178. why are you so salty? who hurt you? do you wanna talk about it?

  179. I do agree with you topic, but at the same time I don’t. I do agree with the fact that modern music is utter trash. However; I do doubt you’ve dug deep into the genres. Yes, most rap is about butts, boobs, ‘bitches’ and such n’ such, but there are some that have meaning. For example: Stay Out of School, it describes the stupidity behind how we learn and how why we can’t learn what we want to learn is stupid. I’m not a fan of rap, to be honest, I hate it with a burning passion, but this one speaks to me. I do listen to other pieces of music too, my favourite being chiptune/chipstep. If you like old styled video games, I recommend this nostalgic genre, 8-bit but with a twist. It may not be what you call real music, considering it doesn’t really fallow your guildlines, but just look it to it. Good examples are: How to Adventure, Commando Steve, and Pixie Trust. Many people don’t like it because they have a fixed mindset and if you don’t, I really do recommend it. ^-^

  180. The definition of mysic is vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion. If you ask me, listening to dubstep and electronica is what makes me happy and the weird unique sounds you can find in it are beautiful to me. And just because something is electronic doesn’t mean its not an instrument. There’s electric keyboards, electric guitars,a lot of other things. And its not your place to judge something like that. I acknowledge that you have your opinion as everyone else does. But your opinion is very ignorant, immature, and very know-it-all-to-the-point-i-seem-like-an-ass-about-it-ish. Best wishes, Bunnie

    • agreed. the author’s just some whiny little shit who can’t appreciate all types of music. You know what kind of person they are when they go on about how they listen to ‘real’ music. For fucks’ sake… music is music. Sure, I don’t like dubstep, trap, or rap music. But it’s still music – it doesn’t mean I have to call it ‘garbage’ and ‘trash’. This guy needs to stop spreading his cancer all over the internet.

      🙂

  181. By definition music is vocal or instrumental sounds (or both) combined in such a way as to produce beauty of form, harmony, and expression of emotion.To me the edgy loud antic nature of dubstep and electronica gives me happiness and is beautiful to me, in the way that a large fiery dragon is majestic. I acknowlege that you are entitled to your opinion and so is everyone else. However, you opinion is very ignorant, biased on the matter that you like classical music so you defend it and put down other kinds of music, and comes off as very Know-it-all-to-the-point-you-look-like-an-ass-online-ish.
    Best wishes, Bunnie

  182. Since it’s just music preference, I will respect your opinion.

    I do not respect someone’s opinion based on the fact that they simply haven’t died yet…

  183. I’m not sure how I got here but this article is fucking retarded. Music is music, even the “fucking garbage” today takes talent, so fuck off with the pretentious bullshit.

    • The expression comparing apples and oranges comes to mind. If a great Puccini composition performed by Luciano Pavarotti is the musical equivalent of a gourmet meal in a five star restaurant, then rock and roll at it’s best is a good burger and a beer.

      Both can be enjoyed, and should be, without guilt or judgement. That’s why I listen to classical, jazz, rock, country, electronic and international music all the time. In the words of The Moody Blues, it’s “A Question of Balance.”

  184. I see that morons the world over still think dubstep and the EDM played at dance clubs for sweaty people juiced up on MDMA to dance to still think comprises the entirety of the electronic music genre. I’m pretty sure dubstep’s heyday is long passed, yet idiots just can’t stop complaining about it, making it out to be face of modern music or something. At this point you people are inventing problems that no longer even exist.

  185. I’m a 20 year old millenial and you can ask me about the music that my age group listens to and I won’t know crap about it. I always prefered the oldies, from Joplin to Zeppelin.

  186. Well you are quite the pretentious little ball of sunshine, aren’t you. Look, Nolan, as a young black american adult at the ripe old age of 24 who has song on his play list from “Dido’s Lament” by Purcell to “I Get Around” by TuPac. “The Troll King” to various Video Game tracks, which are all electronic. Hip Hop, Jazz, Electronic, Dubstep, R&B, and any other genre I can sink my claws into … I have to say that music is … wait for it … SUBJECTIVE!

    For starters, for a man who wants us to look at him as someone who is respectable and prestigious … you overuse curse words like one of those “Darn Kids”. I have heard kids on CoD curse less than you in this article. That’s sad. Second, respect is earned. Not given.

    Now for the many who read this article and agree with him, I wonder how your parents brought you up. Probably didn’t like some of the music you listened to unless then forced whatever you liked down your throat. If that was the case: Sorry for the horrible upbrining. Music is something that is to be discovered and endeared on your own turns. I don’t like some of the Gospel tracks my parents listen to or the Trap music my younger sibs listen to. But, it’s still their right to enjoy it. Why? Because, unless Dubstep is gonna blow up a building or Trap is gonna rape children at night music is just music.

    You listen to it. You enjoy it. The end.

    Now by your logic, all music shouldn’t be played. Unless you are singing. Why? Because, computers are technology. And, guess what? Instruments are also technology. Just because it isn’t electronic and goes “Beep Boop” doesn’t mean it isn’t tech. That’s like saying swords and knives aren’t weapons because they aren’t guns. It’s ignorant and a blind way to look at things.

    I expected a composer such as yourself to view music as something that is expected to be a universal thing. But, no … you have to go out your way to spew your hatred of others youth in such an ignorant matter.

    I just hope one day you come to realize that music is too powerful to take on one form and one form alone. That many genres express many things. Sure, most of the mainstream stuff is “Party Party … love …drugs … money … girl power … party party!” But, those songs have different effects on people. Heck, I knew people who got out of depression from listening to Dubstep. Doesn’t mean it’s the spawn of Lucifer itself.

    I know you and the others who think the way you do are just gonna take this as “This young kid don’t know what he is talking about. Probably makes automatic music by coughing in an autotune mic and makes a whole album based off of it.”

    And, I don’t care. I am, however, not gonna sit by and read this without putting my two cents into it.

  187. Stay salty autist.

  188. It’s jingles to sell snacks to these days. Filler to play at Applebee’s. Selling tits and strobe lights. Cacophonous in every way.

  189. I disagree. First of all, you present your opinion as fact throughout the article, which just isn’t true. Everything is subjective, but especially music.
    Now to your main point about what is music and what isn’t. Again, I think this is really subjective, but here I go.
    REAL MUSIC DEFINED BY NOLAN DALLA:
    (1) Real music is created by humans, not by a machine or a computer.
    Here you sound like the people in the 80s and 90s who claimed that synth music wasn’t real cause it wasn’t your standard guitar-bass-drums kind of rock. I simply don’t think that music can be defined by how it’s played.
    (2) Real music has structure and consistency.
    Most modern music has structure and consistency. Unstructured music like atonal minimalism was really only popular for a hot minute in the early 20th century.
    (3) Real music elicits real emotions — of love, loss, anger, fear, happiness, hope, inspiration, or anything related to the gambit of being human.
    I think this is really subjective. For me, some electronic music or rap can definitely elicit emotion. For instance:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WQV_cULobA -a rap song that can make me quite sad
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fX4qoruQik -an electronic song that makes me feel both unsettled and wondrous. (make sure to listen to it all the way through, it’s really picks up)
    (4) Real music requires talent.
    Rap and electronic music definitely requires talent. Unless you can make a decent rap or electronic song without practicing at all, there’s no way you can say that they don’t.
    (5) Real music requires instruments and/or voices.
    Why? What constitutes and instrument?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qWPCoayhjY -are those instruments? They’re just plants.
    (6) Real music should be cross generational.
    Just because you don’t like some music doesn’t mean it isn’t.
    (7) Real music shouldn’t need gadgets or special effects to be enjoyed.
    Again, why not? You cant really play a synth without it being plugged in, so is it not music?

    Anyway, this is just my opinion. Hope you have a great day 🙂

    • Are you kidding? These are the examples you give? Rap with shallow lyrics, an electronically generated beat, and an electronically doubled voice to make it sound fuller?

      The electronic piece is slightly more interesting though derivative of 20th century classic and traditional ethnic. Not something I would point out as a shining example.

      I think you’ve only supported the argument that music is on the downside.

      • Well, first off, electronic beats aren’t generated, they’re made. You don’t just press a button and get a freshly made beat w/o any effort. Beats are often made by sampling an already published song or creating an original tune, and then remixing that with percussion, etc. This has a long history and partially originates from the fact that many rap artists couldn’t afford instruments or lessons or anything else then cheap equipment. It also takes a hell of a lot of effort.
        On to the lyrics. It’s a VERY long song so I’m just going to talk about the first bit.

        “When the lights shut off
        And it’s my turn to settle down
        My main concern
        Promise that you will sing about me
        Promise that you will sing about me” –this is just the hook, but it illustrates a desire to be remembered after death. That idea isn’t new, of course, but it is universal and important.

        “I woke up this morning and figured I’d call you
        In case I’m not here tomorrow, I’m hoping that I can borrow
        A peace of mind, I’m behind on what’s really important
        My mind is really distorted, I find nothing but trouble in my life” -this verse is from the perspective of Kendrick’s brother. He wakes up and calls Kendrick, in case he’s not here tomorrow, since they live in an area where death is a constant threat. This also relates to when Kendrick’s brother dies at the end of the verse. There’s a play on words with piece/peace of mind. Any way, these lyrics also illustrate hopelessness.
        “I’m fortunate you believe in a dream
        This orphanage we call a ghetto is quite a routine
        And last night was just another distraction or a reaction
        Of what we consider madness” — the brother is fortunate that Kendrick is going out to achieve his dream of making music. In the ghetto they live in, many people are orphans, and it has a double meaning, as many people who are adults have no guidance. The last line refers to the brother’s death, and how it was just a side effect of the area they live in.
        I’m not going to go on, this comment is essay-length already, but I feel like you can hardly say these are meaningless lyrics, and even if they were, lyrics back in the day were often kinda vapid. Like Cherry Pie by Warrant (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjyZKfdwlng)! It’s a song all about sex, came out in 1990, and even though it’s kinda meaningless it’s still a really fun song.

        Now, onto the Venetian Snares (the electronic piece.) I’ve never really felt that saying music is derivative is a valid complaint. Zeppelin probably straight-up ripped guitar rifts from other artists and honestly are quite “derivative” of blues and other bands at the time, but they’re still goddamn fantastic. Same with Snares. He makes a LOT of music, in a genre called breakcore, which basically involves sampling and remixing. It can be really cool sometimes. Here are some other breakcore songs:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SIcZcc7kLQ – a creepy opening, the robotic voices introduce the song, then the glitchy sounds continue, eventually developing into a melody. Finally, the awesome percussion settles into a steady beat. The also add in a sample of t.A.t.u’s all the things she said. bizarre but cool track.
        If you want electronic stuff that’s entirely it’s own and not derivative, check out chiptune! Inspired by the 8/16-bit sounds of video games, chiptunes are a pretty popular on the internet. I absolutely love artist Waterflame, he makes catchy tunes with little to no vocals.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jjGbErLbSk -a catchy chiptune, with a really cool balance between the bass-y parts and the other parts.

        I don’t want to make it seem like I think I’m objectively right, this is just my proverbial 2 cents, but it seems like you dismissed my argument without really considering.
        I hope you like these songs and analyses better! Have an amazing day!

  190. cool opinion i am loving this hot take on music

    you have set me straight fuck little waine fuck 2 chains that shit is gay garbave

  191. Well I suppose a lot of modern music is sterile, but I wouldn’t say the technology itself is the problem (though it may encourage sterility), and I wouldn’t say that it doesn’t require talent to make the sterile music. After all, you do have to know how to operate all of the equipment, which can be quite tricky. As a songwriter and music producer myself, I enjoy a lot of music, much of which is from the 1970s and 1980s, which employs computers and electronic equipment in its production. When it is used appropriately and in balance with a good singer and good instruments, it can sound fantastic. Listen to Phil Collins for example. In fact, when I produce music, I use electronic samples to replace many real instruments (such as piano), because it would be much too expensive or difficult in a home studio to record the instruments themselves. When it comes to electronic music devoid of vocals or any other instruments, or accompanied by heavily autotuned vocals, I tend to stay away. Not saying that type of music is bad or anything, and not saying that it doesn’t take talent to make (it takes lots of technical knowledge and talent), but I just prefer solid vocals and real instruments most of the time. But some people prefer electronic-sounding music, and sometimes I prefer electronic myself. It does have a way of drawing the listener in. Anyhow, don’t worry too much. Don’t fight over who likes what. After all, it’s just music.

  192. See now this is an opinion stated as a fact… Obviously this is an incorrect opinion, because it has been proven that opinions can in fact be wrong. Tell me, if a sound is produced… Why does it matter where it came from. It’s like saying today’s art is terrible… Any form of any art should be respected. Not liked, but respected. If u actually put yourself in the artists shoes, you would realize how wrong you are. I would love to hear you write a song over a beat and perform it, since you obviously have infinite musical knowledge. People this stubborn and ignorant, that make these bold claims irritate me. Broaden the spectrum of what you listen to, and stop living in a stubborn state of mind.

  193. oh so that means you hate How To Train Your Dragon music too hmm…
    well you are my enemy from now to forever!

  194. I hate the fuckin dusbtep,electro shit big room house and new pop bastards like Bieber,Selena Gomez,Nicky Minaj,Pitbull and others fuckin asholess.
    The music today is shit,all is absolute noise,nothing creative.
    Long life the real music Rock n Roll,Reggae and blues the music of devil.

    • I listen to hardstyle and electro both of which are very creative. I also listen to rock and roll, and jazz. They are differant genres of music. And if you think that making electro or hardstyle is easy then go buy Fl studio, pro tools, or any other DAW and see how much audio engineering it takes to make it.

    • I read this on another post! what you go around copy and pasting on every edm site or debate?

    • Thank you so much for this!!! I strongly support that today’s music really is f*cking garbage. I hate it, it’s annoying and way too overrated.

  195. The problem I have with this article is that it equates all of modern music to the 40 songs played on the radio. The top songs use aspects of music created by real, less popular artists in a cookie-cutter type of way. It was the same way back in the “Golden Age” of music. The rock in the 70s would have never been the same without the obscure at the time Velvet Underground. Before you blanket all modern music as garbage try to search for artists that are actually creating solid music and great albums while innovating. One that comes to mind is Tame Impala. The lead singer, Kevin Parker, started by primarily playing guitar, but eventually learned the nuances of electronics. He creates all of the parts on his own, and only uses a full band for touring. The song “Let it Happen” has more production nuance to the drums than most musicians ever use in their entire career. His songs are dense electro-scapes, but at the heart are emotional lyrics about breakup and change. This is only one of many lesser known artists in modern times. I only thought of him because he combines traditional rock song structure with electronics better than arguably anyone.

  196. I like this article/post. It speaks volumes about the music that’s bouncing around these days. I won’t lie, I liked the trance and progressive trance scene from 1997 to around 2003. But the modern pop/cheesy vocal garbage going around these days annoys the life out of me. I mean take, Rhianana as a prime example. The lyrics to her songs sound like they’ve been thought up by a dyslexic 10 year old. It’s almost always the same word or small selection of words repeated over and over, and some of it doesn’t even make sense, it’s almost as if in complete arrogance she has thought;

    ” pfft these morons will buy whatever crap I put out so lets just make a song where I keep singing, work work work work work, dirt dirt dirt dirt, love love love love love..and hey presto, I’ll make millions off of this shit too”

    I’m sorry but it’s a fact, most of the music now and that includes pop, rock, indie, dub, hip hop the newer so called club/house/trance stuff, I’d say around 90% of all of it, is complete and utter SHIT. Mind numbing crap.

    I still prefer the 1997 – 2004-4 trance, and anything classical by the likes of Motzart, beethoven, Handel and others, plus a lot of music released in the 20s through early 90s. You can include jazz and the blues in this too. Love it.

  197. Love u Dude ^^ so f…. right

  198. AMEN, NOLAN! you said it right! Todays “music ” is pure garbage, mainly dominated by the female eardrum-piercing whiny nasaly CRAP and NO instrumental, just piped in shit. Yes, music to hang yourself to!!!

  199. AEJOTZ music is hand played on synthesizers. Is it real music or is it fucking garbage?

  200. I was at a barbecue yesterday and an under 25 girl said “it would be strange to go to an Adele concert as they would have listen to the music as you couldn’t dance to it” That seemed such a strange comment to me as I have ONLY ever been to concerts to LISTEN to music and never to dance. Do other youngsters only think that way.

  201. Here’s a song from India (Bollywood), and I challenge ANYONE to call it garbage after giving 1 full listening.

    This song has beauty, validity, and comes from the heart, unlike most US Pop. There is actually quite a bit if Hindi pop that is very good, and this isa prime example:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHWzN0E8wj0

  202. Being an EDM artist, I think the point you made was shit. First of all, most of the people on here are probably fucking 8 year olds saying that dubstep is shit and Justin Bieber is the best. I disagree with all of you mainstream pieces of shit because I feel that EDM is real music. If it can be listened to then, it is considered real music. Soon nobody will be using actual instruments anymore because we have computers that can make the same sound using actual instrument samples. Another thing that bothers me is when some artists change their genre style to EDM for a while. I’m going to use Linkin Park as an example. Basically, Linkin Park made the A Thousand Suns album which, In my opinion, was really good. Some people hated it because they thought Linkin Park was changing. Linkin Park is a band that likes to experiment with music and that is the reason their genre is Alternative Rock. Then, Linkin Park did collaborations with Steve Aoki. Steve Aoki is an EDM producer and I love his music. They did a song with Steve Aoki called “A light that never comes” and people hated it because it included dubstep elements. Linkin Park was only experimenting with their music because a year later their Hunting Party album came out and sounded like their old sound but, with some new sounds added. Most of the people here are stuck in the past and probably just 40 year olds who like to rape people playing Pokemon Go. I’m 14 by the way and I know the reason all of you are here. All you people probably just have a problem with Skrillex and just listen to country music. People go to concerts to dance or just listen to the music. Before you go hating on me for saying this shit, I do listen to some of the stuff you consider “real” music like, Linkin Park for example. One last thing is that you may be thinking that it is easy to create EDM music and you know what, you guys are all wrong. Being an EDM producer, I have to draw out all the notes one by one and then mess around with the sound. I also have to write out the drums and bass. It is way more difficult then you faggots think.

    • I’ve been producing electronic music for almost 20 years (well before the term “EDM” ever existed) so I want to like what you are saying but sound like a child… which I guess you are but please, you’re not helping. Please sit down.

      P.S. Aoki is garbage. Please research the roots of your sound and understand what real electronic music is. Clicking inside your pirated DAW does not make you an aficionado.

  203. Check out the band GHOST. they just won a grammy for best metal performance, they have a wonderful blue oyster cult/doors sound, beautiful stage show and some songs feature church choir. they are a breath of fresh air in such a bland music world

  204. nolan sucks pop music is cool i mean look at ed sheeran or taylor swift 2 very famous people becose of they songs and ques what kind or usic they sing pop music and also katy perry and very more people pop music is cool and very big

  205. Just saying, I’m 16 and I hate today’s music, and love your example of Nessun Dorma. My favourite music is Muse though, which you may or may not agree with, though I don’t really care.

  206. Opinionated much? Didn’t even read past the first paragraph and that’s apparent. Hip hop, pop, EDM, this “garbage” is not going anywhere anytime soon fortunately. A waste of keystrokes as far as I’m concerned.

  207. ROFL I feel bad for all the idiots who listen to rap and “hip hop” because they think it makes them cool. ROFL what bunch of morons with no self respect. “I’m gonna listen to garbage that talks about killing, stealing, and raping, just because the media tells me it’s cool. LMAOO this world is going down the shitter with all these ignorant fucks everywhere.

  208. Music is nothing more than sound waves, interpreted by our ears. One sound wave can be interpreted by one person as glorious and inspiring but also interpreted by another as horrific. Example: the YouTube link referenced in this article. I wouldn’t listen to that if you paid me, it’s horrible. But to someone else it represents the pinnacle of musical talent. It’s purely subjective because humans are subjective in nature, which means one sound cannot be right nor be wrong to anyone other than the listener.

  209. Dear Mr. Nolan,

    Thank you for your opinion. It will be an honor to meet you for a drink and shake your hand. Hopefully one day when I’m in Vegas. I’m an audio engineer, I live in NYC. Once again thank you for the inspiring article. I love it.
    Cheers

  210. Thanks for deleting my comment Mr. NOLAND.

  211. I am 17, and I aspire to be a songwriter. My boyfriend, also 17, is a big fan of oldies, and complains a lot that he was born in the wrong generation, which I believe is just about as stupid as anime fans who wannabe Japanese. I remember I was one of those stupid anime otaku kids, 5 years ago now, and now here currently is my boyfriend, unironically half-fuckin’-Japanese, who wishes he were born in the early 20th fuckin’century; I ask him, “do you know what they’d do to your skinny lil’ Nisei ass in the goddamned 1930’s!?”
    (I don’t know what the abso-fuckin’-lute hell I’m going on about anymore. He showed me this link, it’s 4am, I can’t sleep, and I’ve got caffeine and adrenaline running through my veins. Okay. Bite me.)

    • To be a member of the “oldies” generation, your boyfriend would have had to be born mid-century, 1940-1950, or thereabouts. The early 20th century saw a generation of flappers, social upheaval that led to two brutal world wars and the Russian Revolution, but not a whole lot of rock and roll. My grandparents were born prior to those times. They were into hymns, 50s television, and family meals at the table, but I never once caught them furtively enjoying hit tunes of The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, or The Who.

  212. All music of today has a maximum shelf life of a month, tops a year. Before it is deservedly forgotten, and never played again. Whereas, music from prior to 20 years ago gets replayed, redone, and butchered over and over again because of its quality. None of the shit of today would be replayed or copied due to the fact that there isn’t any quality to it to begin with. Technology, has helped with our current generation to be lazy, anti social, and stupid. Trends like Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and the shit they call music today, proves that technology is reversing mankinds progress.

  213. In case you don’t already know, you should be aware that the Tacoma area has a terrible public disturbance noise problem. I am mainly referring to the following: 1) Loud subwoofer thumping noises that are blasted through walls and into homes by vehicles and can be heard for several blocks. 2) Loud exhaust noises from vehicles with mufflers removed or with loud “sport” mufflers. 3) Loud sound systems playing inside homes that can be heard inside homes that are many houses away. 4) Fireworks exploded any random time, day or night, 365 days a year, even when no holiday is near. The people doing this are intentionally trying to harass and menace everybody in the community! This is criminal behavior and there is a serious lack of enforcement of the Pierce County Code Chapter 8.72. Loud subwoofers heard from 50+ feet away are illegal. Unmuffled or loud vehicle exhausts, are misdemeanor crimes. The law is very clear and explicit here. The residents of Pierce County do not have to accept this criminality! Please read the law and contact government officials, including law enforcement, and demand that the law be enforced! Loud low-frequency thumping in particular causes violent and explosive emotions in people. There have been many violent incidents and even killings, occurring here and around the nation, that were touched off by loud music being forced into people’s homes. No wonder decent people do not want to move here, crime is high, property values are low, and criminals figure if they can get away with public disturbance, they can get away with any other crime. We do not have to accept this constant disturbance of the peace. It is illegal! The quality of life will remain low here until the residents do something about this.

    Clips from the current version (2016/2017) of the Pierce County Code Chapter 8.72:
    Chapter 8.72 MOTOR VEHICLE, PUBLIC DISTURBANCE, AND PUBLIC NUISANCE NOISE
    8.72.040 Mufflers. It is unlawful for any person to operate, or for any owner to permit any person to operate, any motor vehicle or motorcycle upon the public highways which is not equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation.
    8.72.070 Exhaust System. It shall be unlawful for any person to operate any motor vehicle upon any public highway if the vehicle exhaust system exceeds the maximum permissible sound levels set forth below for the category of vehicle, as measured at a distance of twenty inches (0.5 meter) from the exhaust outlet under procedures established by the State of Washington in Washington Administrative Code Chapter 173-58-080, “Close Proximity Exhaust System Sound Level Measurement Procedure.” Motorcycles 99 dB(A)/Automobiles, light trucks, and all other motor vehicles 10,000 pounds or less 95 dB(A).
    8.72.090 Public Disturbance Noises. It is unlawful for any person to cause, or for any person in possession of property to allow to originate from the property, a public disturbance noise. The following sounds are public disturbance noises:…
    C. Frequent, repetitive, or continuous sounds from starting, operating, repairing, rebuilding, or testing of any motor vehicle, motorcycle, dirt bike, or other off-highway vehicle, or any internal combustion engine, within a rural or residential district, including vacant property adjacent thereto, so as to unreasonably disturb or interfere with the peace, comfort, and repose of owners or possessors of real property…
    F. Any loud and raucous sound made by use of a musical instrument, whistle, sound amplifier, or other device capable of producing or reproducing sound which emanates frequently, repetitively, or continuously from any building, structure or property, such as sound originating from a band session, tavern operation, or social gathering and which unreasonably disturb or interfere with the peace, comfort, and repose of owners or possessors of real property in the area affected by such noise…
    H. Public disturbance noise from portable or motor vehicle audio equipment: While in park areas, residential or commercial zones, or any area where residences, schools, human service facilities, or commercial establishments are in obvious proximity to the source of the sound, it is unlawful for any person to negligently cause, make, or allow to be made from audio equipment under such person’s control or ownership the following:
    1. Sound from a motor vehicle or vessel sound system, such as a tape player, radio, or compact disc player, which is operated at such a volume that it could be clearly heard by a person of normal hearing at a distance of 50 feet or more from the vehicle or vessel itself;
    2. Sound from audio equipment such as a tape player, radio, or compact disc player, which is operated at such a volume that it could be clearly heard by a person of normal hearing at a distance of 50 feet or more from the source of the sound;
    8.72.120 Enforcement… C. The Sections of this Chapter relating to motor vehicles and vessels and noise emanating from vehicles and vessels, shall be subject to enforcement proceedings with or without a citizen’s complaint.
    8.72.130 Violation – Penalty. A. Any person violating any motor vehicle performance standard of this Chapter, or who shall create, keep, maintain, or allow to occur any noise related to motor vehicle performance standards, as defined herein, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

  214. I don’t think it is fair to generalize all persons under twenty-five as people who listen to modern garbage. There is indeed a ton of popular music today that I agree is not good at all, but there is so much other music out there that is being created all the time that is amazing; you just have to dig for it. A handful of people my age (20 years of age) try as hard as they can to listen to as much new music as they can get their hands on; they don’t just rely on mainstream radio. We also don’t just listen to new crap. There are plenty of us who enjoy older rock and pop groups from the mid to late 20th century. Not all of us are brainwashed slaves to the media that feed on mindless music.

  215. My god you’re fucking dumb

  216. I find myself hoping this is satire. If not, please grow up; more recent music doesn’t take anything away from whatever it is you think is music. A style or type of music will only grow if it is promoted by some sort of fan base. A fan base will only develop if the music appeals to some group of people. People have a right to enjoy whatever they want provided it doesn’t negatively effect others.

  217. okay so listen i would respect this article if not for these facts:
    first of all, this is sort of counter productive? compare this to drawing.
    imagine you have a 9 year old. they give you a shitty drawing of an anime character. the face is wonky as shit, the eyes don’t match, and they pressed down too hard with their pencil. do you tell them, “this is fucking shit. you call this art??? why are you upset with me??????? i’m your elder!!! respect me!!!!!!!!!!!” or do you say, “you’re getting better!!! maybe don’t press so hard with the pencil, it’ll make it easier to fix mistakes! if you turn it upside down or to the side, you can see symmetry mistakes easier! it’s lookin’ good!”
    well, if you’re an asshole, you’ll say the first.
    i understand the music might not be good. it might be absolute shit. but under no circumstances should you be this fucking rude to someone practicing their music unless they’re rude to you first.
    through an article as rough and juvenile as this, you could very well discourage the future’s greatest artists.
    you say you’re an elder, yes? act like one. further more, respect is earned, not demanded.

    • Thank you for saying this

  218. Undertale works well as a game because of the constant reminders and “what ifs” of what you are doing and whether you are a good person, because of how the final bosses are set up (story wise) and because the combat system is pretty unique and good for making enemies distinguishable, as well as other reasons (the soundtrack, the creative characters and the jokes to name three).
    Minecraft works because there is massive (beyond easy exaggeration) potential for making creative and clever things, because Survival Mode is something unique (ish) and clever as well as very well balanced difficulty-wise, and because the game (Creative Mode/Cheats at least) can be taken in more directions than I could name. You want to make a minigame? sure. You want to aesthetically reproduce the S&M chamber from Fifty Shades of Grey? interesting, but by all means go ahead. Creating a massive populated city just to blow it up to kingdom come? count me in!
    other great things about Minecraft include the modification potential (if you’re into that), how multiplayer mode doesn’t restrict anything and because the art of the game, while a bit boring at first, allows for some really nice looking builds.
    if you don’t like the fanbase, it’s simple. DON’T GO TO THE FANBASE. Nobody is forcing you to visit /r/Undertale. Nobody is going to die because you decided not to visit the Minecraft Forum. Just play the goddamn games and you’ll be fine. It’s not like they’re a terrorist organisation either, they’re just people engaging in their hobbies and talking about it among themselves.
    I’m not saying you’re not allowed to dislike them, but the whole “DAE cringy screaming 12 year olds” circlejerk widespread throughout the gaming world needs to pull their sticks out of their arses or at least stop judging people so easily. Games are not too young for you because the world doesn’t look exactly like what is going on outside of your window.
    EDIT: with all of the posts here against transgender people, popular fashion choices and saying you have a sexuality other than straight, bi or gay, this is what triggers you people?

  219. This dude should shut up. He deserves to fucking die, cause his definition of music is actually the definition of a concerto with a libretto, which is a written accompaniment to music. Shut the fuck up you grumpy old crap.

  220. I am 13 years old and I absolutely can not stand today’s pop music, It is wicked bad. I can not stand how it all uses pentatonic scales and how it is all the same. It also has a lot of inappropriate content and It is all computer generated, using no real instruments, and even no real voice. That’s right, they are just lip syncing. Music from 1990+ is all terrible (I haven’t heard a single good modern song and when bands like Nirvana were introduced, they seemed to have one goal. That goal was to make pop music unbearable. So, just so you know, not everyone under the age of 25 listens to and likes the new music. If you mean my music is stupid, then you are talking about bands like The Beatles, Queen, The Four Seasons, Boston, Styx, Elvis Presley and more classic bands, singers, and songwriters’ music. I also can not stand the way that MOST (not all) teens and young adults are constantly on their stupid mobile devices and can not grow a brain that can think up why it is literally dumb to buy an apple product.

    • I think the older generation can be just as guilty of mindlessness; they were simply lucky to enjoy better music in their youth.

      After college, I can count on one hand the number of people I met who were truly interested in great music. Typically, people find a single genre like rock and roll or jazz, and scarcely venture into other forms of musical expression.

  221. this is written by a twot..Tarja Turunen is one of the most talented individuas out there,but i’d bet he trashes her too..and she’s definitely a huge talent and baritone opera/metal singer at that(symphonic metal)..she could take on any male opera singer in a heartbeat,,,this article was written by an old fart (who like anyone’s parents) ,does not like their kids’ music,movies etc.)..you have to feel sorry for old narrow minded people like that..their music and movies,etc are always going to be the only crap they claim has any real merit..everything recent that sounds different to them will always be garbage..the same was said about Elvis and rock and roll in the 50’s and 60’s(by old farts)and the same was said about the doors,janis joplin and such in the 70’s(again by old farts) and the same fu*ks,with same narrow,old fashioned opinions are alive and well today.consider this old guy,just plain old fashioned and opinionated.period..disregard what he says..music is something different to many..if i only liked what this guy says is good then i wouldn’t be me..i’d be him..this old goat has no awareness of that apparently.

  222. your opinion is so stupid and fucking ignorant it hurts. have you even listened to the underground rock scene in the 2000S

  223. Your rant is so full of generalizations there is plenty to disagree with. I understand what you are saying, but you end up including what I would describe as good music.
    Some instruments are fairly new and didn’t even exist when Beethoven (and others) was alive and writing music.
    Technological advances and new inventions does not automatically discredit new instruments. Does an electric guitar, or an electronic organ disqualify as an accepted musical instrument?
    Would you call the music of The Moody Blues, or Pink Floyd garbage because is uses synthesized, computerized electronic sounds?
    Can there be no advancement in instruments created by a computer that would be acceptable to you?
    You want to limit your criticisms to music less than 25 years old, but the computer driven instruments you criticize have been around twice that long.
    Even the ugly words of Rap and Hip Hop are from human emotions.
    You need to study the history of music and understand one style of music begets another. Where do you think rock and roll came from? Where do you think Rap, Hip Hop, and other forms of modern music came from?
    Yes daddy, you sound exactly like my parents of the 1950’s who called early rock and roll garbage and thought the later metal bands like Led Zeppelin were evil.
    If you can’t open your mind then shut your mouth and not expose your lack of musical intelligence.
    My musical tastes are probably close to yours and I write a blog called “Words and Music.” My intention is to expose younger people to older music, but I don’t claim new music is garbage. And I do get a lot of remarks from teenagers who like the older music better than their contemporary music. It’s a matter of personal taste, but good music is good music no matter what era it comes from. Those (especially the young) who truly love music understand that and enjoy older music.
    Modern music does fit into you 7 points, you just don’t understand that, or you have a closed mind.

  224. people like different music so accept that you motherfucking white trash

  225. this is one hell of a ignorant post. talking about stereotypes, this guy is a prime example of an generation that has forgotten they were once young theirselves. anyone who just screams that music requires no talent anymore, is just confirming they only checked out the mainstream charts. mainstream has always been shit, and thats something that will never change. if you start digging into more unknown stuff of certain genres, you will realise it isnt all bad. not all hiphop or dubstep sucks. dubstep originates from dub/reggea, yea sure skrillex turned that into some bullshit but if you knew any dubstep that dates back till before skrillex, you’d not have typed all this unbelievable crap.(’04/05)

  226. This is so fucking cringy, it even managed to give me cancer.

    There is generalizing everywhere. Not all electronic music is dubstep or techno (or whatever it was in that deleted video) you idiot.

    1. Yes, electronic music is created by aliens with computers, not humans.

    2. So does electronic music. Just not the SUBGENRE (here, read it again: SUBGENRE SUBGENRE SUBGENRE SUBGENRE SUBGENRE SUBGENRE) you chose as an example.

    3. So can electronic music. Again, not the SUBGENRE you chose as an example.

    4. So does writing bullshit on the internet.

    5. Why? Who said that?

    6. Pretty sure electronic music is too. Just not as much.

    7. If you don’t count speakers or headphones (oh come on, I am not going to hire thousands of people to listen to music), then electronic music fits here too.

    Also technically, my machine just created something you call “real music”. I just clicked play. Should I call you?

    Who are you to define the word “music”?
    I’ll tell you who you are. You are ignorant. Humans are not magic (as you are clearly implying), we are just machines, too.

    Dude, listen to what you want, but please, stop forcing your “perfect” music to other people. You listen to what you want, we listen to what we want. Understood?

  227. I dont know if this is satire or not. Either way it’s pretty unresearched

  228. This whole webpage is just full of pointlessly very sad, very mad, and “lifeless” shells of people. Because yeah… Let’s say fuck you to development, let’s say fuck you to individualism. You mock modern music yet you act like self-righteous pieces of shit that work on the exact same level. IF IT AIN’T WHAT I LIKE AND IF IT AIN’T CLASSIC IT’S BS! You people should get a life and get laid by someone who isn’t just a hooker.

  229. I’m under the age of 25, yet I’m totally against modern music. I love playing songs from the 60’s. But when you say shit like “Listen, you stupid sons of bitches. I’m talking at you. I’m your elder. My opinion demands respect.”, You lose 90% of your readers right then and there. Your narcissistic attitude is a HUGE turn off. If you really cared about explaining why it’s garbage (which it is) then you wouldn’t go off on a big temper tantrum. So listen up, you stupid son of a bitch. Yes, I’m talking to you. I’m your future. Don’t go pissing off the people who you will end up relying on in the near future because you disagree with the music that they, not you, listen to. Leave it alone and chill.

  230. Because electronic music represents all modern music you pretentious blowhard douchebag.

  231. Wow this article is just a load of crap. I can cherry-pick songs from any era and say that the entire decade is crap, but with a sample size of one that doesn’t prove much. Saying the top 10/20/40 songs on the chart represents all music is incredibly stupid. Electronic effects in music have been around since the 70’s. Classical, metal, bluegrass, jazz, acoustic, and any other type of music you can imagine are being written and recorded every day. Do more than 10 minutes of research and you’ll discover that.

    Also, as for music made by a computer, look up the artist Emily Howell.

    • You, my friend, have some common sense.

  232. I agree with everything stated in this article. I believe that modern music is terrible, and that there is no true talent involved in making it. And yet, this article is complete and utter, and I will quote you, “Mindless crap… Dagger-in-the-eyes, ass-bagging, blow your fucking brains out — unadulterated dog shit.” EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion, whether you like it or not. The fact that you believe your words and ideas are better than anyone else’s, once again quoting you, “is void of humanity”. So here is my personal opinion. Go to hell Nolan, and don’t think I’m falling for your tricks. My ad-blocker is working flawless. You aren’t making a cent off of my visit to this site.

  233. I’m 14 years old and my favourite bands are Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd. So you say they suck? Lol

  234. Nolan, you just have a certain taste in music. Why get mad at millennials? We can like the stuff that you like too, but also grow and create our own tastes/genres. We don’t go around saying the music of your generation is trash. Although I will agree most mainstream songs these days are in fact trash (IMO), but there was, is and always will be music that others are not fond of. Am I right or am I right? I can’t get down with the mainstream EDM/Pop/Trap stuff they play nonstop these days, but that doesn’t mean my taste in music is fading out (or yours). We live in a world full of music and you can easily access most of it through this wonderful thing called the internet. If you actually give a damn, you can easily search for these new creations that you have a taste for. You know what else you can do? Ignore the music that you don’t have a taste for. I have done this, so I won’t bitch and moan about things I don’t like. It’s time to mature, Nolan.

    Peace.

    • Preach it!!!

  235. Can’t you accept that some people like different things? You don’t have to like it but you don’t need to insult what other people may like. I like all types of music. From Pink Floyd to Rae Sremmurd. So what if it’s created by “fucking machines” PEOPLE LIKE TO HEAR IT!!! So I please ask that you stop ranting about how you think that the music that you like is superior to the music that other people like.

  236. I’m not under 25, so I guess this article doesn’t apply to me? Or at least it doesn’t anymore. I’m somewhere in that deadzone where the article author decides one age group meets the next. I haven’t really liked the majority of the music I listened to. My friends get annoyed when I get annoyed listening to the lyrics of a song. But it isn’t just pop, rap, dubstep, or punk that bothers me. Anything that is low-quality stuff that tries to copy the greatness of a real musical talent is frustrating and painful for me to listen to. It isn’t just one or even a few genres, it’s all of them. Here’s another thing that I disagree with, machines are used to enhance the quality of the music produced by artists. The only time they are a bad thing is when they are used as a crutch. As in, this person could not produce a record without auto-tune. Another negative would be purely electronically produced music. It can *easily* be made with individual tweaks and modifications to give it that human touch, but most choose not to in order to save themselves effort. I agree with most of your rules for real music, but there are still exceptions to at least your first and last rule of real music. Take an author such as Lindsey Stirling, who often works with other authors to produce music videos with techniques like track blending, and yes, sometimes purely digital additions to her music. She has undeniable talent, invokes powerful emotions, has consistent and structural tunes without being too repetitive, and always has instruments with the occasional voice guest stars for collaborative works. However, she uses current generation electronic tools to add her own flair to the music she makes and in my opinion there is nothing wrong with that. P.S. I have no idea whether her music is enjoyed cross-generational, but I don’t believe that is a requirement either given how fist-shaken-at-lawn or face-buried-in-phone stubborn people can be. Maybe real music should be able to be enjoyed cross-culturally instead.

  237. Anyone who assumes that electronic music can’t be as beautiful and expressive as instruments should listen to the album kid A by Radiohead. I guarantee that will change your opinion. Also, anyone who thinks rap can’t be artful has obviously never heard Kendrick Lamar’s Good Kid, M.A.A.D. City. That album was even assigned by a college professor to be studied by his students. Don’t be so close-minded, people. There is still great music being made today. It just takes some digging through garbage to find.

  238. As an electronic (and multiple genre) music lover I agree with the premise of the article. Right on the money. However, the execution of this premise and the example used is totally off the mark.

  239. im under 25 and i totally agree with you. music these days isnt even music, its computer generated noise. i get so pissed of when people listen to this shit, you should go back to listening to the chillis and stuff. thats real music.

  240. Salt

  241. As Bob Dylan said, “get out of the new road if you can’t lend your hand, for the times they are a changing.” I’m 16 years old, I play the cello, acoustic guitar, and jazz bass, and I listen to Leonard Cohen, The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Dylan, B.B. King, Bach, Beethoven, etc. and I don’t care much for pop, or dubstep… but I strongly believe it deserves respect. You are an out of touch bitter old man who has been turned sour and been forgotten like old milk left out on the counter. You may not understand my generation, but that doesn’t mean our music is trash. You say that you deserve respect for you are my elder, but you are not entitled to my respect, or the respect of anyone in my generation. Your years have turned you into a bitter old man, not a wise, respectful elder.

    PS: If music today is so trashy and takes no talent, try making it yourself. If you make one hit song, I’ll take back everything I said.

    • By the way, if you delete my comments, you are just proving to me what a fucking insecure bitter cunt you are.

      🙂

      Respect is earned, and I owe you jack shit old man.